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[crusherking]

Joyous88,
You are obviously out of your league here. The point is that your libs are so ready to bash Bush because he is a Republican and so quick to forgive Clinton because he is a Dem. And Reagan a criminal? You must have lost your mind long ago to go down the path of slandering one of the greatest presidents of the 20th century at the very least. Additionally, I''ll tell you where the blame lies. Clinton. He had the intel and opportunity to strike at Al-Qaeda well before the 9/11 attacks. What did he do?? Pretty much what he did his whole presidency.. Nothing. So try to step up the level of your arguments. As is, they fall well short.

[joyous88]

Clinton? Still bringing up Clinton?
Bush has been in office how long?

You would be more honest if you put the blame where it belongs,

On the other conservative criminal REAGAN

[aaabee-2009]

Will I let it turn to anger in me? Nope, life is to short for that. Posted by jwind11 at 04:40 PM : Feb 07, 2008

How poetic of you. Guess what, for some 80,000 Iraqi citizens and about 4000 US troops, lives got a heck of a lot shorter because of Bush''s actions.

Mere mistakes? How many does it take before they become overwhelmingly obvious to you that the chain of "mistakes" is actually a chain of well-thought-out events by persons with wealth and power in mind, not the welfare of some brown-skinned folks who had a nasty dictator for a leader.

And before you refute that, Bush is friends with Mussareff, a dictator of the same caliber as Saddam, and he''s had Putin over for dinner more than once.

Bush isn''t in the mistake business, he isn''t nearly as stupid as this chain of presidential actions can account for.

[joyous88]

"Theocratic reactionaries, ''we''re an empire now'' imperialist strutters, war profiteers, Uber-patriotic
demagogue bullies, nutbars and loony-tunes of sundry stripe, the bellicose nerds at their basement keyboards, the functional illiterates over at blogs for Bush, the vile Coulter and renew America, deniers of evolution, believers in satan, the rapture-ready, and Tom Delay,"
THE REPUBLICANS

[whatithink-2009]

Crusherking,

I did my part to, which is why I''d never put a troop into harm''s way when there were other options and the threat was not imminent. I''d have to be sure there was no other solution before asking a soldier to risk taking the ultimate sacrifice or having to tell a mother that her son or daughter is dead.

I''m not taking any party line. I was raised Republican. There are things I didn''t like about Clinton as well.

[aaabee-2009]

Until you and the Bush bashers are mistake free, you really shouldn''''t be getting on others for theirs.
Posted by jwind11 at 04:30 PM : Feb 07, 2008

Oh, I forgive mistakes. I forgive honest mistakes. I do make mistakes. I do understand the process of learning from mistakes. I am actually sure you do as well.

Criminality, I do NOT forgive. Especially when lives are lost. Lives have been lost at this man''s hands.

Deceit I do not forgive. Undermining justice I do not forgive. Disregarding our constitution I do not forgive. Spying and torture I do not forgive.

That you are so willing to forgive such horrors by a man in charge of your very country, and further, to degrade others for their inquisition of Bush about such horrors, how am I supposed to understand YOU in that light?

If he were innocent, so be it. But he dodges all questions and oversight that could prove his innocent if it were so. Does this too reward your faith in him?

[joyous88]

bush is a criminal , hundreds of thousands of lives are destroyed because of his greed and his lies.

[crusherking]

Hahaaaa! Now that is funny Whatithink.. First of all, I not only expect more from my country, I did my part when asked to protect this country. Second Ronald Reagan, Myth??? I can''t believe you are so party line to believe that lie. but you''ll laud Bill Clinton.. Thats a joke!!

[whatithink-2009]

Crusherking,

There is one big difference between you and me - I expect more from my country than you seem to expect. You keep coming up with justifications and excuses. If you knowingly buy goods from a thief, you can''t turn around and call him a thief!

Ronald Reagan is the biggest myth to come out of the Republican party ever! The butt whipping the Ayatollah received was in the form of weapon sales.

[crusherking]

Aaabee,
My statement was that Enron and the Iraq war are unrelated issues. One does not affect the other. Thats like saying Alexander Graham Bell is responsible for the movie Matrix..

[jwind11]

Aaabee:

My position? Here it is,, do I believe Bush made mistakes? I don''t know, but probably. He is human same as you and I. Do I believe Clinton made mistakes, yes I do. Did I turn it to anger and let it run my life? No. Do I believe the next President will make mistakes? Yep, he/she is human also. Will I let it turn to anger in me? Nope, life is to short for that.

[aaabee-2009]

Posted by Crusherking at 04:24 PM : Feb 07, 2008

I am not in on your discussion. I simply dropped a couple of Bush/Enron connections in there, since you mentioned there wasn''t any.

AMY GOODMAN: Enron%u2019s influence reached as far as Uzbekistan. In January, we interviewed the former British ambassador to Uzbekistan, Craig Murray. He spoke about the relationship between President Bush and the Uzbek regime of President Karimov.

Karimov is one of the most vicious dictators in the world, a man who is responsible for the death of thousands of people. Prisoners are boiled to death in Uzbek jails. And he was a guest in the White House in 2002. It%u2019s very easy to find photos of George Bush shaking Karimov%u2019s hand.

GREG PALAST: You have to understand that Enron is an international conspiracy locked up very tightly with the Bush family. You have to understand that not only was a call made to the dictator of Uzbekistan, but Jeb Bush called up the finance minister of Argentina to fix a deal and said even though Enron was low bidder for the natural gas of Argentina, Jeb Bush called and said, you know, %u201CMy father has just been elected president of the free world.%u201D

[crusherking]

whatithink,

Again, you can not sit here and say that what he did was ok. So how can continually defend him? And certainly, there are those who want Bush removed from office.. Difference is he''s not a tyrant regardless of your opinion. You really need to have facts. Our involvemnet with Saddam was strictly out of necessity following the Iran Hostage crisis(which by the way Jimmy Carter bumbled almost as bad as he bumbled our economy into the toilet, and God Bless Ronald Reagan for letting the Ayatollah know that he was about to receive a butt whooping if he didnt'' let them go). Over time it became obvious that Saddam was not an ally. We ceased dealing with him shortly after we started so you don''t act like we have a long history of supporting Saddam. And The chemical attacks became knowledge AFTER we had already begun pulling out of any dealing we had with him. So again, another misrepresentation. SO the question is, do you think we should put Saddam back in power in IRaq?? That sure seems to be what you''re leading to...And btw, the Kuwait invasion was not the lead up to this invasion that just so happened to be the first invasion under the Senior Bush. Just wanted to make sure you understood that as well.

[whatithink-2009]

"Your posts dump on others for theirs.
Posted by AaaBee at 04:30 PM : Feb 07, 2008"

Exactly! It''s a free country but we are not allowed to dislike the president...sounds like a dictatorship to me. What does the constitution say?

[jwind11]

Aaabee:

aahh so you meant traumatized not taumatized? So you are saying you made a mistake? So what you are saying is that it is ok for you to make a mistake but Bush can''t? You are listing all these mistakes you think (not proven) Bush has made. I make mistakes, I own up to them and move on, everyone should be given that luxury. Until you and the Bush bashers are mistake free, you really shouldn''t be getting on others for theirs.

[aaabee-2009]

Oh, jwind11, spank me again, I like it.

My positions do not hinge on my childhood tauma (see that missing r again) or my college education (which, having gotten one, I STILL mistype) or the bashing I have taken at the hands of Republicans since Rush Limbaugh came on air and made political hate cool.

My positions about Bush are well founded, not random, and are backed, if not proceeded, by highly contemplative minds.

As I am sure your opinions are well thought out too.

Funny though, you don''t speak about your positions. Your posts dump on others for theirs.

[whatithink-2009]

"Can you not see all the reports that show Al Qaeda''''s presence in Iraq?"

- They are only present in Iraq SINCE we invaded!!

"Besides, don''''t you think it was time for Saddam to go?? "

- There are countries who think Bush should go. Does that mean you authorize a foreign entity to invade the United States? What part of sovereign nation is not sovereign to you?

"You call Bush a murderer but Saddam murdered Millions of his own people, had women raped as a political statement, heck he had squads set up specifically for that purpose, and on top of that he was using chemical weapons on his own people. How can you sit here and justify Saddam as a ruler of any country regardless of who his enemies were?? "

- And we continued to do business with Saddam well after he used chemical weapons, so who are we to judge? If Saddam hadn''t invaded Kuwait (which he warned us he was going to do and we said he could do what he wanted to) there would be no issue. His invasion of Kuwait threatened the oil markets and that''s why we had a problem with him, not because of human rights abuses. There are so many dictators in the world, many who are even worse than Saddam, are you ready to invade all of them?

[crusherking]

Enron still has nothing to do with Iraq. And to Aaabee... Lets not start listing all slimy donors to all the politicians. That is a long and seedy list that stains both parties. I could state much of the same about Clinton that you just said about Bush. Clinton has numerous shady donors and appointees. So while you use this to bash Bush, its more of an inictment on the political process. But again, you don''t think anything applies to your side of the aisle do you? Wake up to reality! ALL POLITICIANS are shady to some degree and there is not a party out there that can claim it is free from corruption.. ESPECIALLY the democrats.

[aaabee-2009]

ENRON/BUSH Connection continued (this is fun)

Once Bush gets elected, what happens in early 2001, when the power market in California starts to%u2014I mean, where the, you know, the price gouging is obvious, prices are skyrocketing, Ken Lay gets a personal meeting with *** Cheney and briefs him on their goal, which was not to have the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission intervene in the California power market. When you look at the records of those meetings, you see that when Cheney comes out of the meeting, he then has an interview with the Los Angeles Times either the next day or following day, and he repeats virtually the very same talking points that Ken Lay handed to him, which were, %u201CDon%u2019t intervene. We believe in the free market. Let%u2019s let the free market figure out what the price or proper price of power in California is.%u201D

[crusherking]

Oil??? Ok. So you are contending that we are now taking and selling Iraq''s oil??? Good grief.. I don''t care about that nonsensical argument. Can you not see all the reports that show Al Qaeda''s presence in Iraq? Thats enough justification in my book. Al Qaeda was behind the attacks on 9/11. That is fact just as it is fact that they are in Iraq. Besides, don''t you think it was time for Saddam to go?? I mean, cmon.. You call Bush a murderer but Saddam murdered Millions of his own people, had women raped as a political statement, heck he had squads set up specifically for that purpose, and on top of that he was using chemical weapons on his own people. How can you sit here and justify Saddam as a ruler of any country regardless of who his enemies were?? Again, your hatred for Bush has led you to take an illogical statement.