Comments on: Cops: Boy Scout Killed Parents, 2 Brothers

Bail Denied For Md. Teen Who Allegedly Shot His Family, Then Staged Discovery Of Bodies

[rowdytexan2]

Posted by schoollord at 01:42 PM : Feb 05, 2008

Give it a break! Nobody has the right to take guns away from the people.

And it''s still a fact that people kill people, guns don''t!

Why should I have to give up my guns because somebody else was irresponsible with theirs! Or because they''re having family problems that cause one of it''s members to go whacko and kill them.

Makes some sense!!!

[mmbecker8231]

schoollord, stop blaming the victims. Were his parents abusive, perhaps. His little brothers? Hardly credible. he had other options. there is no credible excuse for killing people in their sleep.

[gunownerdan]

We have more homes without guns than with guns and most of these murders happen in the homes with guns!~ Is that so hard to understand?
Posted by schoollord

No, it''s not hard to understand the fact that people will be irresponsible with their guns. But that doesn''t mean you punish everyone just because of a few irresponsible people. Being a responsible gun owner means following basic gun safety rules at all times.

[gunownerdan]

schoollord,
The word "PEOPLE" means the PEOPLE, not the state, not the militia, not the government.
It can''t be any more obvious.

[gunownerdan]

schoollord,
The fact remains, people don''t really murder their family unless there are some severe family or personal problems involved.
And if the father had his guns secure like he should have, the teen would not have shot his family to death in the first place(but he still could have used fire, poison, a baseball bat, an ax, or something else).

[gunownerdan]

closethippy1,

"The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age..."
-- Title 10, Section 311 of the U.S. Code.

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
-- George Mason

[jegibbons]

TO: ==kinich74 at 12:42 PM : Feb 05, 2008==

You talk precisely like the kind of ACLU attorney that this kid will need to defend him.

No doubt you''re correct his confession doesn''t mean a thing. Usually the one confessing has a conscience and is burdened with guilt to make a full confession. According to at least one account this lad had *** with his step-mother after he murdered her. Sounds like the kind of defendant the ACLU would be proud to defend, no?

[kinich74]

In 1993 a study was carried out in which it was proven that a minor under the age 16 could not stand any interrogation over 2 hours, in optimal emotional conditions.
This boy was taken after finding his entire family murdered, not given any time to grieve or recover from the initial shock, and taken for an interrogation that lasted apparently hours and well into the night, he was not provided with a lawyer until after, not before he confessed, which is not illegal since minors cannot ask for a defender unless charged since 1) they are not really citizens yet, 2) the state assumes a "protector" role in the case of all minors, suspect or charge, 3) minors can be detained for questioning, something you and I (adults) can''t really be unless ordered by a court and basically charged with something.
Also, in this age of "teen" murderers, media hype and political pressure (election year) there could be a somewhat egotistical attitude to find a quick solution, instead of a painstaking investigation, which by the sounds of it (considering the dad was involved in legal deals over property) maybe could show a "can of worms" that affect people above, even if not directly involved.

[closethippy1]

The 2nd Amendment is very clear about all of this: People are allowed to have guns if and only if they are part of a MILITIA. Well regulated at that.
The framers of the Constitution never meant for guns to be an alternative for the general public to resolve their personal, economic or criminal problems.
The interpretation the NRA has of this constitutional device is wrong and irrational.

[gunownerdan]

Lizzie Borden used a hatchet to murder her parents.
Do we blame the hatchet?
Schoollord does.

[jegibbons]

If liberal parents would cease trying to be their kid''s pals and start acting like grown-ups by disciplining their kids from the cradle on up then there would be fewer of these kind of stories.
Reports are the parents were ''great people'' Okay!

Then the kid is a mindless murdering disaster waiting to happen. WHY? somewere along the way this kid believed his rights were equal to or superceded his parents'' rights. Soon this kid will have an ACLU attorney defending him, but he will still be a self-styled orphan, Quy Vey!

RIDDLE: Which is more dangerous? Kids without parents who are willing to discipline them and give them direction or the proverial ''insecure firearm'' in a home where there lives someone who is mentally unstable?

[korinsha]

I realize that people are responsible for their actions, but I can also imagine that it''s harder for a boy to kill two adults and two children with a knife than to just shoot them while they slept.

Just sayin''.

[anonbene]

Without even reading the story I''ll guess that they were a very religious family weren''t they? Too much religious guilt is what causes scene like this most of the time.

[tail_honcho]

schoollord - "...If you felt the sting meant for gun lovers that''s like pleading guilty!"... from you and what you preach, ha. Once again, your spew is wrongly generalized and norrowly focused. I am far from a gun lover, but I am smart enough to see your narrow minded preaching. People are responsible for their actions, regardless of how accessable a weapon is or what weapon is used. All would agree it would be a great world if we did not have bombs, guns, mines, etc... but they do exist.
And what is meant by a "false conclusion" is when you read further into what someone writes/types and then make a generalized statement about what that person believes... kind of what you did a few times below.

[tail_honcho]

schoollord, hope you are not calling me a gun lover... or you will once again be guilty of blindly jumping to a false conlusion. Now back on your soapbox and keep preaching, I am sure it will help your cause.

[closethippy1]

So if you''''re part of a MILITIA give up your gun for everyone''''s sake and mind your freaking business.
Posted by closethippy1 at 10:05 AM : Feb 05, 2008

So if your NOT part of a MILITIA..... I meant to say

[closethippy1]

The story is not about access to a gun... it''''s about a child that has such serious issues that he killed his whole family and then went out partying all night with his friends!!!! Sometimes there are too many anti-gun liberals on soapboxes.
Posted by tail_honcho at 09:59 AM : Feb 05, 2008

But that''s the whole point: If you have these kind of dysfunctional people in our society at the rate of 10,000 gun deaths a year then use your brain for once and ban guns!!!
Teh vast majority of gun deaths are between family and friends and people who commit suicide.
A sizeable amount also comes from people who are pissed for one reason or the other and go out and shoot complete strangers to death.
The smallest percentage of gun use, and this is going to hurt some folks here, is for self protection but even then if it''s not done right you can hurt yourself or an innocent bystander.
The 2nd Amendmant is very clear about this: US citizens have the right to have guns ONLY in the context of a MILITIA. Well regulated at that.
So if you''re part of a MILITIA give up your gun for everyone''s sake and mind your freaking business.

[displeased]

Even with no witnesses we know that the kid was able to gain access to the gun so there''''s no question the gun wasn''''t properly secured. Guns at home increase the chances of suicide, homicide, and accidental death.
Posted by schoollord

You don''t think this kid could have been delusional enough to stab his family to death? I guess we''ll never know. There was obviously some hatred and instability involved, whether guns were available or not.

[tail_honcho]

The story is not about access to a gun... it''s about a child that has such serious issues that he killed his whole family and then went out partying all night with his friends!!!! Sometimes there are too many anti-gun liberals on soapboxes.

[runningralph]

schoollord,
You are correct. My post was in reply to an earlier post which said that cops can force a confession out of anyone to any crime.