Comments on: Congress Passes Long-Stalled Gun Bill

Bill Inspired By Va. Tech Shootings Flags Gun Buyers With Past Mental Problems

[coolprophet]

SUPREME COURT LIKELY TO OVERTURN HANDGUN RULING
I can''t think of anytime in history where the U.S. Supreme Court granted Certiorari to a case where they actually agreed with the Lower Court''s ruling, so there is no reason for me to expect this case will be any different. Say "bye bye" to handgun ownership rights in this country. If you do have any handguns, do yourself a favor and hide them well, and don''t waste any of your ammo on target practice anymore. I have a feeling you soon won''t need any. Considering how much the government has done to desecrate our Constitution lately (e.g. The USA Patriot Act, The John Warner Defense Authorization Act, The Military Commisions Act, H.R. 1955, et. al.), the Supreme Court will likely overturn the Lower Court''s ruling, which will open the door for States and local governments to pass Laws which will essentially prohibit private gun ownership. I''m sure of it. Look at what the Supreme Court did with the question of "eminent domain" recently. They overturned practically 200 years worth of common law protecting landowners, making way for governments to sieze your property for private development, so long as it is in the "public interest" to do so. Anyone who says "this will never happen" needs to turn their TV off, and open their eyes to the realities of the world around them. Our Constitution has been under constant attack since 9/11. We''re frogs in a pot, folks.

[closethippy1]

12000 gun deaths a year are 12000 gun deaths a year and there''s no way to excuse that.
I reiterate, the 2nd Amendment is very clear on how "People" in the form of "Militias", and not individuals, have a right to bear arms.
The word "individuals" is nowhere to be seen. But instead of militias what we have is a country of paranoid gun owners who don''t trust anyone, some of whom more than willing to kill coworkers, children, and whoever else "deserves it".
These folks are not protecting the country as the 2nd Amendment meant it to be, they just want to use their fear and hatred of people to make a political statement.

[nodemotwit]

Serious question. Two countries where gun ownership is common - the USA and Switzerland. Murder in Switzerland - low. Murder rate in the US - high. Why???
Posted by USBrit at 10:41 AM : Dec 20, 2007

Actually, a more interesting question would be:
Two countries where gun ownership is
diametrically opposite - the UK and
Switzerland.
Murder in Switzerland %u2013 lower.
Murder rate in the UK %u2013 higher. Why???

Also, w/in the last year or so it was uncovered that the UK had been falsifying their gun homicide rate for some time, sometimes combining 2-3 gun homicides to represent a single death. Liberal nanny-state governments, like the UK, can always be relied on to ''cook the books'' to prove their misguided policies are "working". Unfortunately, this falsified data then gets used by the liberal "intellectuals" here in the US, who proceed to incorporate that data into their liberal studies "proving" how bad our system is relative to the UK.

WRT ''30K US gun deaths'' :
Per 2004 CDC, 17K of those are suicides, 12K were homicide. To assume that all 17K of those suicides would now become non-suicidal merely for the lack of access to a "legal" gun is totally naove. Also per the CDC, the total 2004 US deaths by poison was... 30K. 21K by accident, 6K by suicide, 3K undetermined. So your odds of being a US poison victim are higher that being a US gun homicide victim, taken, of course, with that old grain of salt: ''Figures lie, and liars figure''.

[hmwatson]

Woger Wabbit, Gunownerdan, behive21, hiway71so, Klingon69, Starkx6 and DRkingjd --Drive on people. I understand you and support you.

Schoollord - you just got to wake up. You don''t understand there are bad guys just waiting to do you and your family harm. Who will protect them?

Closethippy1 - You need help. You are just the kind of person that the bad guys are looking for. You had better stay in your closet.

[coolprophet]

RON PAUL: A GUN OWNER''S BEST FRIEND
Like Ron Paul, I share our Founders'' belief that in a free society each citizen must have the right to keep and bear arms. They ratified the Second Amendment knowing that this right is the guardian of every other right, and they all would be horrified by the proliferation of unconstitutional legislation that prevents Law-abiding Americans from exercising this right. Congressman, Paul has always supported the Second Amendment and these are some of the Bills he introduced in the current Congress to help restore respect for it: H.R. 1096 includes provisions repealing the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act and the Federal Firearms License Reform Act, two invasive and unconstitutional Bills. H.R. 1897 would end the ban on carrying a firearm in the National Park System, restoring Americans'' ability to protect themselves in potentially hazardous situations. H.R. 3305 would allow pilots and specially assigned personnel to carry firearms in order to protect airline passengers, possibly preventing future 9/11-style attacks. H.R. 1146 would end our membership in the United Nations, protecting us from their attempts to tax our guns or disarm us entirely. In the past, he introduced legislation to repeal the so-called assault weapons ban before its 2004 sunset, and he has opposed all attempts to reinstate it. Congessman, Paul also recently opposed H.R. 2640, which would allow government-appointed psychiatrists to ban veterans experiencing any form of PTSD.

[hmwatson]

schoollord - get your facts straight. Last year alone 2.5 million crimes and possibly deaths were stopped by law bidding citizens that were carrying guns legally just by letting the bad guy see their gun. Very few shots were fired. Police - they are not your body guard. They carry weapons to protect themselves. They are seldom around when needed. Protecting your family and property is your responsibility. Soldiers - carry weaopons and fight wars just so you and the rest of these people can spout off about how evil a gun is. When a bad guy comes calling at your house to rob you or kill members of your family, I''m sure you will wish you had a gun and the training to protect them. Stick your head out the door and call a policeman and see how long it takes him to get there. Wake up man!

[nodemotwit]

On the surface this seems like a reasonable step fwd. The only pitfall will involve local%u2019s w/activist anti-gun judges who select/work with activist anti-gun psychiatrists to brand perfectly sane local gun owners as %u201Cpsyco%u201D.

But given the young age of most of these gun rampagers, I would like to see the ATF also consider the juvenile mental health records for gun purchasers in the 18-25yr range. This would exclude those in armed force in that age range, as long as their military records were clean.. And it would exclude those in that age range that had received honorable discharges.

As far as juvenile access to a parent%u2019s guns, that is a knife that cuts both ways. I would hate for more states to go the CA route and require all households with kids to essentially totally incapacitate all firearms. That has already produced deaths in CA where kids trained in safe handling of firearms by their parents could not access a parents gun during a home invasion. Totally incapacitating all firearms is, of course, nirvana for the loony-left which prefer the death of law abiding gun owners over all others, but for some reason the perps never seem to follow those rules.
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[nodemotwit]

(%u2026cont)
BUT why can%u2019t schools and mental health professionals be required to at least provide a written warning to parents with unstable children to consider restricting their access to firearms within those homes %u2018until further notice%u2019 ? That way the victims would at least have something to shove into those same parents faces when those parents, post-rampage, feign any knowledge of such instability. Or, alternatively, they may be able to acknowledge the warning and explain that they had asked local law enforcement for advice on how to comply, and had done as advised, but it was circumvented in some manner., but at least they tried

As far as juvenile access to black market guns: This same group seems to have easy access to illegal drugs, so someone please explain how the Billion $ illegal US drug trade (which imports millions of pounds of illegal drugs/yr into the US) would be prevented from importing millions of pounds of %u201Cillegal%u201D guns/yr into the US.

[toolmangler-2009]

What they aren''''t is effective tools of self-defense!Posted by schoollord at 03:54 PM : Dec 20, 2007


pray tell what would you rather use, Bullet proof underware? ssssshhhheeeesssshhhh!!!!!!

[toolmangler-2009]

schoollord, By your logic in order to stop suicides by Overdose they should get rid of medicine (its already illegal to buy drugs without a prescription() To stop suicide by drowning put walls around all forms of water(Its already illegal to commit suicide) heres the kicker, to stop gun deaths, make it illegal for the public to buy/get guns, (that way only hardened criminals would have guns because they can get them illegaly).

[gunownerdan]

schoollord,
You say guns are not effective for self defense.
In fact, guns are among the most effective tools available for self defense when used properly.

[gunownerdan]

schoollord,
Keep waving that magic wand of yours and maybe one day you can get all those evil, murderous guns to disappear for good, once and for all. Until then, I and millions of other freedom loving Americans will be will be keeping our guns, thank you.
www.a-human-right.com

[starkx6-2009]

Guns are a highly effective and efficient way of killing. More so, than say...a wiffle ball bat. I get it. Let''s get to the point, mentally ill people will now have to register with the ATF. Are we done with this yet?! I do believe I see a twinkle left in this horses eye...get me my six shooter so I can put it out of it''s misery.

[michellem99-2009]

Tool yer right..Yer brought out other means that they used for ages. They still use. it is humans. The good and bad. Yer not going to wipe it out.

[gunownerdan]

schoollord says:
"Guns are a nuisance to any civilized society."

What''s civilized about being defenseless against dangerous criminals and terrorists who would kill you for nothing?

[gunownerdan]

"guns are doing NOTHING to protect our freedoms."
Posted by schoollord


Please enlighten us schoollord, why do all police officers and soldiers have guns?
Why aren''t you trying to disarm them too?

[toolmangler-2009]

You can''''t cure the disease without treating the symptoms. A gun crime is different than a non-gun crime. A husband hits his wife with a book. Another husband shoots her to death. We have a law disarming people under a restraining order.
Posted by schoollord at 02:36 PM : Dec 20, 2007



If there were no sick people, poor people, angry people, why would anyone try to hurt someone else? I will tell you why, "King of the Hill syndrome" no matter who is on top, there are those that will try to knock them off. They will do it any way they can, through hate, envy, jealousy, fear and the hundreds of other signs that we are human. Get rid of the gun, bows and arrows will re-appear along with the crossbow, lance, halbard, sword, knife and clubs or stones that have been used in times past. Did you know that an English Longbow could kille three people with one arrow?, A broadsword in the hands of an oldtime warrior to chop off heads, arms. legs or rip torsos in half from multiple people at once. so much for WMD. If that wasn''t scary enough, withou guns, these mind crippled people would simply turn to homemade bombs or other ''exotic'' forms of expressiing their ''hate''. Complacency among the populace is the single biggest cause of killing and harm to the people. (Oh! I knew he/she was a very angry person but I was always ''nicely'' treated so ''I'' didn''t think anything of it) Yeah, right, and now X number of people are dead, smooth move Dude/Dudette.

[starkx6-2009]

Seven,
It comes down to this. Who do we let regulate our lives? When the crew back in the 1700s wrote that fine document, there wasn''t a whole lot of footsie going on in bathroom stalls. And, if there was, the people didn''t know about it. Well, we all know about our elected officials now, and I don''t want to leave my rights in their hands. Now, where''s that box of ammo?

[starkx6-2009]

I don''t think that the 1.1 million crimes committed with a firearm involve good people. Hold on a minute, and let me google that. After examining The BOJ website I have concluded that people with prior arrests commit most gun related crimes. Look at me go, this google thing is fun.

[starkx6-2009]

Schoollord, you dazzle me with your google skills!!!