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Graham Places Hold On Bill, Calls Prohibition Against CIA Use Of Waterboarding "Ill-Advised"
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- I see the Terror inducing "be afraid" crowd is out again trying to scare the public into going along with what EVERY moral person should condemn.
Oh how the devil can make evil justified in the eyes of FOOLS.
I thought Halloween was over.
I''''m SO TIRED of the "be afraid , be VERY afraid" crowd that must have been the life of the campfire group. The "spooky stories" they can gin up are about as OLD as the "monkey''''s Paw tale.
Cry WOLF!!! over something More REAL - like WHY Osama Bin Laden can "elude capture" for what - OVER 6 years now when this nation has satellites that can pretty much read license plates and Saddam sure couldn''''t even hide in a hole.
SOMETHING STINKS over the whole "golly gee we just can''''t find him" garbage!!
I''''ve heard too many gigantic holes in the "official" stories and our Executive branch is either totally brain-dead, AFRAID of Bin Laden, being blackmailed by Bin Laden or IN on what happened and trying desperately to cover it up.
ANY of those options spell MAJOR Leadership problems at the HIGHEST level and spineless idiocy by those that DON"T at least check the facts.
In the meantime this nation continues to argue trivia.
Nothing like fiddling while our nation''''s Constitution and economy BURNS. - Reply to this comment
- Again, terrorism inflicts life long torture on us and our children, in pain, and worse. Waterboarding is episodic. it is not life long. get it . We have to get out of the closet and protect the children.
Posted by hamiltongrad
Yes! Sometimes I think these people on here care more about our enemy than their own countrymen. - Reply to this comment
- I think that there have been a total of THREE people who have received water boarding, might be less. As a result of this "torture", thousands of our fellow americans have been spared from an attack like 9/11. I think there is worse torture done on young men pledging a fraternity. The enemies who we have captured receive better treatment than they have ever had in their lives, would you receive the same luxuries as them if captured on their soil...NO! You''d be all over the news with a bag on your head, four men with guns pointed on you. Your fate? Well you could expect to have your head chopped off for the world to see. Who''s the bad guy here? Get it straight you bleeding heart a$$holes! You bring our country down with your idiodic complaining.
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- The Republican Party keeps the Fourth Reich Alive,more disgusting ,Constitution Hating,Un-Americans you cannot find!
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- Ahhh yesssssss......life is good indeed. Love, poopusbuttus.
Posted by poopusbuttus
don''t forget your prezels (choke, choke!)
merry one. - Reply to this comment
- Just more to remember coming elections right Republicans.
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- So you would point her out and go on your way, feeling good about yourself, because you are a good person who does not lie. WEll it is the same with waterboarding.
Posted by hamiltongrad
I''d tell him, "Hey dude, it''s not my business", and move on. I don''t know the story, and don''t want to know it, later if the police ask me, I would tell them what I saw and said.
No lie there.
By your reasoning, the guy with the knife could torture you for the answer, because he says the lady is an "enemy combatant", and therefore he has the right to torture you to "protect the country from enemy combatants"... - Reply to this comment
- Ignore him/her/it. He''''s a worthless piece of sh*it and always will be. Why feed into his fantasy that anyone gives a da*mn about his opinion?
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Posted by SgtRDS
Hmmmmmm. Don''t be a "Hater" SGTRetardDS....you''re powerless to do anything. But yet, just continue to sit back and enjoy the freedoms that other great Americans provide you. It''s all good.
Like I said, life is good. The economy is great and the Christmas season is upon us. Spend time with the family, spread the holiday cheer, kick back and watch some football games with a few beers this weekend.
But wait, there''s light at the end of the tunnel. Bush will be out of office in a year and then guess what? You will have yet another Republican to deal with for another 4 years. HAHAHAHAHAHA
Ahhh yesssssss......life is good indeed. Love, poopusbuttus. - Reply to this comment
- No decent human being condones torture.
No person with honor endorses torture.
No person with integrity would lie to themselves about what torture is or is not.
And no self respecting person or moral person would advocate torture.
Now. At least we know where those of us who choose torture stand--NOT on the side of decency, morality, integrity, honor, or humanity. Those who dare to embrace evil to justify fighting evil are only masturbatttting their own psychosis. Weak, immoral, pitiful, petty, dishonest liars, willing to do anything (and we mean anything) to preserve their weak, pitiful, immoral and dishonest lives. - Reply to this comment
- Hey wait a minute. You have no understanding of the results of a terrorist attack. I do. There is life long pain, agony and a total disruption of lives. Pleural. Think of the CHILDREN. You don''''t think that terrorists target CHILDREN ? They do, just ask the ISRAELis. If you are against torture, you are therefore will to sacrifice the children of this nation, how can you be so cruel. These are life long problems for children, not an episode that will pass, like so called "water boarding" . Give me a break. Moral idiots.
Posted by hamiltongrad at 12:43 AM : Dec 16, 2007
YOU start with the children. How about the Iraq children. Thanks to this war based on lies and our zeal for creating terrorists even if none are in the country we want to own--is that NOW there are hundreds of thousands of children dead or dying, due to either being destroyed by our bombs or by the vacuum we left being filled with insurgents and others. We have left thousands orphaned to die--or be destroyed. The "Children" are not just the ones on our own soil. So think about that, when you advocate wholesale destruction and torture of others. Finally, think about what the Bible says--you will reap what you sow. Hope everyone for waterboarding gets a chance to experience it and other enhanced techniques first hand--see how you like it when it is happening to you and yours. - Reply to this comment
- Graham is that idiot that walked around with McCain, buying rugs and proclaiming Bagdhad safe for strolling. I hope his constituents give him the boot--between his Iraq lies and his intent to grant amnesty to illegals--he should be drummed out of office. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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- hamilton grad wrote:
You can''''t be against waterboarding and be for CHILDREN.
These efforts work. They save lives. They save our lives. They save the lives of our children.
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Perhaps you don''t know those fighting the invasion and occupation have captured Americans.
And perhaps you wish they are not Abu Ghraibing them.
Also, perhaps you dream that those invincible American forces will never be captured in future.
When some are captured, you probably don''t know the military will make it classified information, and it will not be in the press.
Perhaps your letters will stop the capture. Dream on. - Reply to this comment
- Rational thought, not emotion, should be the guide that we as a nation follow when deciding the value of issues like torture and make no mistake about it, waterboarding is torture... I personally cannot help but feel that evil done in the name of right is just as evil as that which is done to advance wrong. It is more often than not the act itself, not who you are doing it to that determines the correctness of it...
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- HamiltonGrad said, "What about all the people who live days of pain, because of a terrorist act?"
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Sorry, your violins are completely off-key and your analogy is false. If you are concerned about victims, ask the Bozo who was nominally in charge at 911 why he had not convened his anti-terrorism working group since he took the oath of office-- a full eight months previous.
Or, if you are really into helping victims, help extricate the American and Iraqi peoples from the criminal fraud Bush used to sell "preemptive war" against Iraq.
And be sure to visit our VA hospitals, the tens of thousands still serviced by our burn wards and the amputee clinics and neuro-damage units. These Americans, in particular, were victims of a delusion Bush tried to sell the American people. The nearly 4,000 American dead and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilian dead count, by any measure, as victims of Bush policy.
Every American opposes terrorism, so registering a personal opposition to terror is simply no big deal. On the other hand, aiding and abetting terror by supporting incompetent, deceitful, un-American policies from Bush calls that opposition seriously into question. - Reply to this comment
- HamiltonGrad said, "WE have become a nation that demands the respect we deserve."
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"Demands" as in a temper tantrum? As the Bush Iraq debacle shows all too well, America is in no position to demand respect-- it must earn it, and the effort is long overdue. - Reply to this comment
- CBS reports "Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., placed a hold on the intelligence bill... (said Sen. Graham, "I think... applying the Army field manual to the CIA would be ill-advised...")."
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Prior to 2003, American officials intuitively and expliticly understood torture is not part of their toolkit. As "extraordinary rendition" explains all too well, torture of prisoners is a shamefully secret and clearly un-American tactic which this country vigorously protested during every war since WW2.
Like Bush, however, Sen. Graham is a disappointing contrast to these American ideals, employing specious arguments about hypothetical suspects to justify whatever government wants, including torture. As a nominal conservative, Sen. Graham instead should venerate a long tradition of humane treatment of captives, and not serve as a front man for Bush''s limited understnding of proper governance. (see Debate on Torture --2) - Reply to this comment
- Debate on Torture --2
Not until public discovery of extraordinary rendition erupted in a major Bush scandal, did it become necessary to develop a home-brewed rationale for torture. Only then, did certain Bush officials rush forward to declare (1) waterboarding is not torture and (2) it is highly effective.
Asked for details, they respond, "Sorry, that''s classified"-- a lame apology traslated to, "You''ll just have to take our word for it."
But we don''t. History shows America has veered dangerously close to becoming the enemy we opposed. The Nisei Japanese-- American citizens, all-- were shut away in concentration camps under primitive conditions. We sent black and white Americans off to war to liberate Europe and Germany from the delusion of a superace, only to resegregate them on their return. In the name of opposing subversives, the CIA not only approved but in some instances its agents served as technical advisor for prisoner torture by notorious dictatorships. The Iranian Savak, as well as Chilean and Argentine juntas, routinely used torture (and specifically the threat of drowning).
Such a mutation of American ideals is what most Americans, including Sen. John McCain, insist cannot be tolerated. Himself subjected to torture, McCain is in a unique position to comment when he says, "This is not about them. It%u2019s about us: our values, our principles" - Reply to this comment
- No Sarge: WE have become a nation that demands the respect we deserve.
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- Torture is like a cancer in our nations soul. It''s a disease that has infected us thanks to the neocons. We used to be the good guys. We used to be better then this. We used to have the high ground. Now, because of scum sucking as*sholes like Bush, we are tarnished as a freedom loving country that once stood as a beacon of freedom and human rights.
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- Torture ?
What about all the people who live days of pain, because of a terrorist act ? This form of daily torture is far worse than what the pansies are so stirred by. Let them live in the shoes of someone in constant agony, distressed, unproductive, forgotten in a dark room, due to a terrorist plans gone right. To the ACLU types, get real. We don''t want to the the victims to satisfy your self centered feel good compact with each other during dinner parties.
The Geneva agreement is for formal war, not for this mufti terror. - Reply to this comment
