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- Just wondering if the next lapdog that takes office will rescing the extended powers that Bush has obtained through Cheney"s law or will they expand it. My money is on the latter.
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- Water boarding is torture. The US has prosecuted people who did it against our troops as torture. Torture is illegal. What in the fu*ck part of this don''t the Bush apologists get? Bush is a criminal because he approves of something that has been defined as torture since the middle-ages and the Inquisition. This is not rocket science people! Waterboarding is torture, no question. Torture is a crime, no question. Bush is a criminal, no question.
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- "This thread would not have been complete, without a paranoid, hate-filled screed from "michaelt302" & "robertkjjj"."
FeelFree1
Yeah.
What happened to those guys?
A few American posts and they give up?.
What would Adolph say ...
ST
"There is great danger in calling a thing evil, equaled only by the ignorance of it. Therefore let our judgments withstand the passions of our time, and endear the admiration of our future."
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- Even then, the types of atrocities committed by the Nazis and the Bush administration were universally considered illegal.
ST
You are 100% Correct, as usual, but I still am bothered by the recent tendency of the far right to ignore universal norms, making up the rules as they see fit, even when they run counter to already established conventions, this torture case being only one example of many, and the "patriot act" being perhaps the more egregious.
This law will probably provide another excuse to waste time in courts, allowing the Bush klan members time to arrange their effects, and prepare to escape to their nests in Argentina and Dubai. Some might even die peacefully of old age, or "heart disease" before we get the chance to bring them to justice. - Reply to this comment
- "ST there is a provision in the law known as the grandfathers clause that allows a practice to continue based upon previous adminstration of the practice prior to the enactment of any new law or amendment to any existing law".
radiob
I am quite familiar with it, that''s what made it so ironically hilarious. But like I said, stop it already! :)
ST
"Never forsake humanity for inhumanity, despite all disguise."
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- Brian not sure when the last Al Di Meola record was that you heard, try listening to "Flesh on Flesh" a mix of jazz/funk and flamenco style writing. His writing has progressed.
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- The quickest example of that comes to mind is a topless bar that is withing 500 ft of a high school, a elementary school. The residents protested because the bar was not topless for years and reopened as one, the judge ruled that because it was a topless bar prior to the building of the schools their protest against were null and void. The topless bar was allowed to open under the grandfathter clause. It is also illegal to sell alchohol withing 2000 feet of a school again the grandfather clasue kicked in and the topless bar stands and sell alchohol.
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- Posted by radiob,
Actually, I am an old man, who now chooses to cherry pick gigs, I met and jammed with Mr. Cobham on a couple of occasions when he came to Malaysia, and having a melodic drummer with a rock like sense of tempo was a slice of heaven. To sit between him and masters of the instruments like John and Jan would be the pinnacle for me.
As for Al, he possesses technique among the world''s most accomplished guitarists, but I don''t get a strong sense of melody from him, I keep getting the feeling that he was Berklee''s most accomplished graduate, if you get what I mean, blinding scales and blistering etudes, but I don''t hear the song in the center.
I was more a Mahavishnu fan, for their technique of starting a very simple idea, then evolving it to "out there", and back. Al, to me just starts throwing chops, very well, mind you, but for me not as musical. - Reply to this comment
This thread would not have been complete, without a paranoid, hate-filled screed from "michaelt302" & "robertkjjj".- Reply to this comment
- ST there is a provision in the law known as the grandfathers clause that allows a practice to continue based upon previous adminstration of the practice prior to the enactment of any new law or amendment to any existing law. Drug dealers have escaped prosecution under it along with "houses of ill refute".
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- Today, in America, George W. Bush or any of his henchmen can simply point their finger at you, declare you an enemy combatant, and have you incarcerated indefinitely in a secret prison without charge or representation, where they have institutionalized torture and murder.
And for those Americans who think they are exempt, and don''t care about foreign citizens or their rights as human beings, think again.
You may have heard the term "Habeas Corpus" tossed around a lot lately, and heard that we have lost the right to it, but do you know what that means?
It means that you no longer have the right to be brought before an impartial judge to protest your imprisonment, or provide evidence that the charges against you are false.
For example, when Bush secretly imprisons an American citizen he doesn''t like he can simply say that they are an Afghani national caught on the battlefield of Iraq, even if they were actually a loyal citizen living in Boston who was illegally abducted at the mall while shopping.
And since you no longer have the right to Habeas Corpus you will never have a chance of the truth being told, and will be at the mercy of Bush''s psychopathic brethren for what remains of your lives.
Welcome to fascist America.
ST
"A whisper of horror.
That''s all we could hear."
SearingTruth
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- It%u2019s a dangerous world. There are a million psychopaths that want to kill you, and you worry about scaring some Jihadists with water? Are you out of your fu*cking minds? Get real, folks!
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Let me enlighten you to some technics that work and are not as cruel as waterboarding, sensory deprivation (leaving the individual in a room with not light, sound etc.. Complete isolation from the population. It works and has been used effectively. Far more humane than waterboarding, stripping indidividuals and photographing them. It does not pose the threat of death or cause bodily harm. - Reply to this comment
- Ya know, making Muslim terrorists uncomfortable or scared with water is so low on my list of worries or priorities, I can''t even calculate it. Why don''t the liberals here address some important issues? And, do you not know that Bill Clinton was waterboarding people for YEARS during his 8 years? Yet not ONE of you libs cared at ALL when a Dem was doing it. Nooooooooo. It%u2019s only when GOP does it that it becomes%u2014ha ha ha---%u201Ctorture%u201D. Yeah, right. Of course it is. The hypocrisy and nitpicking of the libs is appalling.
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- "Wonder if some lawyer will decide that it is subject to the grandfather clause?"
radiob
OK, now that''s it, stop it radiob! My sides are hurting!.
But not as badly as the untold number of anonymous beings America is torturing and murdering even now.
ST
"Please.
Protect the innocent."
SearingTruth
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- Stomu Yamashta is active in your neck of the woods Brian not sure what musical direction he is playing now and how receptive he is to jazz/fusion. Just a thought.
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- Wonder if some lawyer will decide that it is subject to the grandfather clause?
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- "They have just given Bush his "out", he can now claim that his crimes against humanity were committed before they were "officially declared" to be crimes.
They should have left it alone, and let the body of legal decisions determined over the decades, including the Geneva Convention, stand as the legal basis for Bush''''s impeachment and trial for war crimes."
brianbwb
Very intuitive fellow patriot. But while they have surely attempted to provide cover, the same defense was tried during the Nuremberg trials and it failed.
Even then, the types of atrocities committed by the Nazis and the Bush administration were universally considered illegal.
ST
"History is replete with examples of its own iteration."
SearingTruth
"I do not reveal the unknown, only the forgotten."
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- Good evening Brian, did some research on McClaughlin reported reunion with Hammer and Billy Cobham could not find anything. What about playing with Jose Neto or Jeff Beck, perhaps Al Di Meola? Send some samples to them of your work. I sure enjoyed Foleys site with all of the music again I wish he would release it.
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- Only one days rations! Now that''''s cruel fellow patriot :)
Compared to the destruction of our Constitution and the cruelty they have inflicted upon so many from Guatanomo to Iraq, perhaps it justice. - Reply to this comment
- They have just given Bush his "out", he can now claim that his crimes against humanity were committed before they were "officially declared" to be crimes.
They should have left it alone, and let the body of legal decisions determined over the decades, including the Geneva Convention, stand as the legal basis for Bush''s impeachment and trial for war crimes. - Reply to this comment
