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[andor3]

links don''t mean a lot, even when they point to "scientists." Corporations were getting pummeled by science that led to public policy and opinion they didn''t like, so they discovered they could influence science--not directly--but by providing funding. In science, the one with funds decides what the questions are and that goes a long way to determining the answers.

They did not influence all research--they just needed enough contrary opinion to create debate instead of action. Unfortunately that has backfired and now any research result is scrutinized for its funding as much as its data.

In the old days it was effective to run around shouting "look, I have a paper that disagrees, look look" to prevent any action. But that just does not work any more. But some did not get the word and still keep trying...

[hawksprings]

AaaBee,
I''m not mad.
We got 4 more inches of snow today where I live.
Global Warming will never get here...

[aaabee-2009]

Posted by hawksprings at 04:55 PM : Dec 11, 2007

Dont'' get mad, I''m not backing you into a corner.
You spoke of not raising taxes.

If you can borrow money from China for war, why can''t you do it for to save the planet. There needn''t be any raising taxes.

[ibzjem]

Funny, no one is touching on one of the most obvious causes of climate change. Even good ''ol Gore didn''t speak much about it in his movie. That is global deforestation. Gore showed a graphic of how trees breath CO2 in the summer, but in the winter when the leaves have fallen, CO2 rises. This is a proven cyclic event. Now, imagine this effect if there are millions of acres of trees cut, burned, and destroyed each year. I''m not one that will run out and chain myself to a tree, but it seems pretty obvious if you think about it. If you don''t think so, go here and look around:

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Library/Deforestation/

[hawksprings]

AaaBee,
Dont'' get me started on Ulterior Motives.

When someone goes around the world on private charter jets preaching about the devastation that Global Warming will bring, and makes a movie threatening us with 20 feet rises in sea levels unless we do things like reduce our consumption, and do with less, and buy carbon credits from companies like G.I.M....

And then we find out this person owns multiple homes, one of which is a mansion that uses 20 times the amount of energy a typical American home uses, and the carbon credit company GIM is chaired by this person and does not seem to do ANYTHING to offset carbon output other than invest in other companies and put money in his pocket...

Then don''t try to tell me the only ones with "Ulterior Motives" are the ones opposing the Church of Global Warming.

[aaabee-2009]

Why would you want to pay higher taxes and prices because of a FALSE PREMISE?
Why would you want to make life harder on the World''''s poorest people for a SCAM??
Posted by hawksprings at 04:29 PM : Dec 11, 2007

You say it is a false premise so that your taxes aren''t raised. You say it is a scam so that you, who shops at Wal-Mart, doesn''t want to make life harder on those poor people in some third-world country you never think about otherwise? You have ulterior motives to your wanting GW to not be real, and if you do, perhaps GW''s detractors do as well?

Please do not feel I am badgering you. I very much appreciate your point of view and your willingness to stand up for it. But you aren''t showing me anything to change my mind, to come over to your side. I can''t see the reasoning.

[hawksprings]

AaaBee,
Do you REALLY think that just because I''m against The Church Of Global Warming, that I want to drink dirty water, breathe polluted air, and eat food grown from poisoned land?
Do you REALLY think that I want to kill off all life in the Ocean?

Come now. Let''s not paint with quite such a wide brush. I have to live on this planet too.

BTW, I grew up on a farm. My dad raised cows, pigs, planted corn, wheat, oats, etc.
How long would he have lasted as a farmer if he had no concern for his environment?

I''m all for cleaner technology and less pollution.
I just don''t buy in to the Human-caused Global Warming Hysteria.

[aaabee-2009]

The heated arguments against climate change have no more factual evidence on their side that the heated arguments that global warming is real and we need to fix it.

What weights the scales for me is that humas are polluters and our world is getting polluted; regardless of fancy terms or spin campaigns, that is truth.

What splits us two camps is taking Action.

On one side we have those who wish to take action on some level that reduces human pollution into our water/air/soil environs.

On the other side are those who want permission to do nothing, to change nothing, to keep pollution emissions laws in the background and uninforced, to let development rampage across our last green spaces, and to keep the profit margin as far from the environmental spotlight as possible.

Action is all that separates you and me.

[hawksprings]

Sorry the links are "fractured". When you paste a link in, it seems to do it automatically.

AaaBee,
The point I was trying to make with my post of websites is that there''s not a ''lock-step'' agreement on Human-Caused Global Warming like The Consensus would have you believe.

Now there are more studies coming out that are showing human activity is having a minimal to non-existent impact on the climate.
But the "cures" proposed by the Global Warming Industry would be very expensive, do NOTHING to change the environment, and make life harder for poor people by driving up the costs of many products.
(Corn is a great example. The use of corn for biofuels has driven up corn prices dramatically, making a basic food staple for many poor Mexican families too expensive to afford. All in the name of saving the environment.)

That''s all I''m trying to say.

I believe Algore is selling us a bill of goods.

When you''ve got NEWER, MORE ACCURATE studies of Ice Core samples showing that CO2 Levels actually FOLLOW temperature increases by dozens or even hundreds of years, then THERE''S NO CRISIS.

Why would you want to pay higher taxes and prices because of a FALSE PREMISE?
Why would you want to make life harder on the World''s poorest people for a SCAM??

[displeased]

Hawksprings, there are all kinds of articles available that go both ways, depending on whatever data the researchers choose to follow and interpret. And there are all types of opinions based on what people choose to believe and how they choose to be informed. Regardless of your believe in global warming, we still should not be careless with resources and should pursue cleaner sources of energy. As global population keeps growing, the human species as a whole will need to become more efficient and less wasteful.