Comments on: Judge Allows Illegal Immigrant Hiring Ban

Challenge To Arizona Hiring Law Rejected; Will Go Into Effect January 1

[tbweb]

Posted by brianbwb at 03:59 AM : Dec 09, 2007,,,

Americans don''t get any breaks when they break the Law, the fact that the U.S. has the largest Prison population in the World is clear proof of that! Why should illegals get so many breaks? It makes no sense, if the Justice System can be so understanding and forgiving to those who are not even a part of our nation, then the same leniency can be applied to U.S. citizens as well. Illegals get away with murder, literally!

[brianbwb-2009]

But I am left with the sad and show-stopping thought: The U.S. Chamber of Commerce favors illegal immigration and owns much of Congress.
Posted by ibsteve2u

Then it may be time that the citizens do the policing themselves, permanently "Imusing" businesses that defy our will.

The neocons like to think the government shut Imus down, and rail against "political correctness" as if it were law, rather than what it truly is, a fear of righteous negative reaction by the people.

Pickets, and demonstrations all along the business chain (but no violence) will drive stock values down, and hit them where it hurts.

[missingamerica]

I can''t argue with any of your points, brian.

But I am left with the sad and show-stopping thought: The U.S. Chamber of Commerce favors illegal immigration and owns much of Congress.

[brianbwb-2009]

Posted by tbweb

I think it may not be necessary to be so draconian towards the immigrants, but the key is to be a lot more strict with the employers.

Knowing that actions such as I have outlined in my last post are coming down the pipe, employers would already start preparing to toe the line, immigrants won''t find it so easy to come get work here, and the problem will very soon solve itself.

[brianbwb-2009]

The business can go hang; the correct definition of "good business" is whatever will put more ducats in the current Duke''''s pockets.
Posted by ibsteve2u

Home run, dude. Now I''d like to see some discussion of how to deal with illegal immigration from that standpoint, because many of the xenophobes here have totally unworkable positions.

I say seize the assets of businesses that hire them, strictly enforce minimum wage and other labor protection laws, slap stiff and certain sanctions (fines and jail time) for violators with no judges'' discretion, and no pleas of ignorance from CEOs who are supposedly paid the big bucks to be responsible for company practices.

Then we will see the "illegals" return home voluntarily as the available jobs are filled by American unemployed.

[tbweb]

The only racist I see here is you! I''''''''m not even close to being a racist. Posted by tbweb at 01:15 AM

Yeah you are. See, I knew you didn''''t even like even legal immigration and you confirmed it. Thank you. Go back and read your post. Do whatever, but notice that you are quite content with stopping all immigration. I guess once your ancestors came here, it was enough, huh?

Posted by rudy654 at 01:24 AM : Dec 09, 2007,,,

The only reason for suggesting a stop to all immigration "temporarily" is too get a handle on the problem. Only you interpreted that as permanent! You don''t continue to make a bad problem worst by allowing it to grow further. Your slanted interpretations speak for themselves.

[missingamerica]

Let me rephrase:

Well, my experience in the corporate world left me with the knowledge that there are two sides to the coin of "business ethics".

1) If it is good for the person running the business, it is "good business".

2) If it is bad for you, it is "just business".


I forgot that #1 has a huge caveat that is becoming ever more evident in this day and age of $400 million rewards for failure: The business can go hang; the correct definition of "good business" is whatever will put more ducats in the current Duke''s pockets.

[brianbwb-2009]

Posted by ibsteve2u

LOL! You know, your letters do look pretty black on my monitor...

Actually I included that little bon mot because I always read posters where "Black" people are accused of always "whining" about "race", I want to be at least one example of a "black", man who sees the problem for what it really is, and recognizes that while "race" is a problem, it is an intentionally created one, that becomes real only when most people base their actions on such beliefs (the number 44 in china, for example), but in this case the problem is more one of greed, and to deal with it, we most deal with the greedy first, not just those who serve them through lack of alternatives.

[missingamerica]

(I watched a little bit of "The Shakiest Gun in the West" tonight...stole the accent.)

[brianbwb-2009]

And they often don''''t know they did it.
Posted by ibsteve2u

The ironic part is that they have freed themselves from the illusion of "race" but become trapped in the addiction of greed...

[missingamerica]

You''re black, brian? Welllll golllie - yer typin'' don''t look any darker than mine! Who''d a thunk it...

[brianbwb-2009]

So, Rudy, my point is that "racism" is only a concept used by cowards to hide the true motives for action against an ethnic, religious, or other group of people sharing a similar characteristic. It is greed, and the sooner we recognize this, and attack the problem from the standpoint of economic greed, the sooner we will find real solutions.

And this from a "Black" man...

[missingamerica]

The funny part is that some of the partners with Bush were American Jews. How''''s that for "racism"?

Posted by brianbwb at 02:49 AM : Dec 09, 2007

Conforms to a conclusion I drew long ago. Some people are so susceptable to the allure of wealth and power that they are willing to drop their birth and ethnic religions in favor of the worship of Mammon.

And they often don''t know they did it.

[missingamerica]

I look at those Prescott stories, the stories of how GW ran his businesses, and conclude we picked a helluva time to "run government like a business"; we didn''t have anybody available to run it who could do it without cheating.

[brianbwb-2009]

Posted by rudy654

Don''t even take the guardian''s word for the following, the information is in the national archives, and you can find several newspaper articles about it, it was big news for a hot minute back then.

"The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

His business dealings, which continued until his company''s assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz"

His assets were seized in 1942, but he made even more back by brokering airplane fuel deals with Hitler afterwards. The funny part is that some of the partners with Bush were American Jews. How''s that for "racism"?

[missingamerica]

Well, my experience in the corporate world left me with the knowledge that there are two sides to the coin of "business ethics".

1) If it is good for the business, it is "good business".

2) If it is bad for you, it is "just business".

[rudy654-2009]

"business ethics" - the classic example of an oxymoron.
Posted by ibsteve2u at 02:43 AM

May well be, however, the universities even require many majors to study all about it. Sort of leaves a bad taste in your mouth.

[missingamerica]

"business ethics" - the classic example of an oxymoron.

[rudy654-2009]

By the way, do you know who was selling fuel to Hitler during his aggression against Europe?

That''''s right, Prescott Bush, grandaddy of Hitler Jr.

Greed, simple as that. Posted by brianbwb at 02:34 AM

You know, I have heard this, but I really haven''t read anything substantial about all this involvment. I need to investigate more about that. A certain professor has wanted my help in a class where she talks about the Holocaust and business ethics, involving IBM and what that company knew. Greed was the definite word.

[missingamerica]

Oh, I know that. It will be a cold day in hell before I say I believe, or believe anybody else who says, that NAFTA was meant to help the "majority" of ANY nation.