Comments on: Bill Won't Cover Attacks Against Gays

Expanded Hate Crime Legislation Dropped From Defense Policy Bill

[lloydbest1]

Hate crime legislation should never be attached to any other kind of bill. This particular bill is another blank check to fund an unpopular, unneccessary and probably illegal war in a country that (at least until recently) had no direct connection to terrorist activity directed against the U.S. and had no ties with Al Qaida. The fact this POS bill has some wimpy anti hate crime legislation tacked to it with Scotch Tape and spit does not make it any less odious.
My answer to global_chick''s post at 04:37 PM : Dec 06, 2007 is as follows:
The sole purpose of enacting legislation against hate motivated crimes is to emphasize punishment of the attitude that motivates the offender to commit them - as opposed to merely punishing the offender or the act itself. If I attack a person of a different race, religion, gender or s@xual orientation because (s)he has hurt me or mine or tried to take something away from me...that is still reprehensible. But it might be excusable depending on circumstance. If, however, I attack someone BECAUSE of differences in religion, race, etc then I am participating in a form of cultural warfare. This dramatically increases the opprobrium of an already disgraceful act; and it should be subject to a stricter level of penalty.
Yes we do need some form "anti hate crime" legislation on the federal level. But we do not need it attached to a bill that would enable a rouge president to conduct a treasury busting and illegitimate war..

[skyk-2009]

Why should *** get special protection or stronger justice? Everyone is already protected against assault, murder, etc. We don''''t need a special class of victims.




Posted by global_chick at 04:37 PM : Dec 06, 2007
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Hate Crime Legislation was passed by Congress after the Horror of Jim Crowe was played out and all people saw what that was all about. The same Religious Extremist who were being addressed by the orginal legislation is being addressed here. It''s one thing to commit a Crime but yet another to do it for no other reason than pure hatred for that person. The orginal bill covered race, gender and orgin for a apecific reason. There were terrorist Religious Extremist Groups, like the Klan, American Nazi Party and several others, that would seek out and intentionally hurt people BECAUSE they were Black, Jewish, Homosexual or some other group. I''d suggest you go to the Souther Poverty Law Center to get a better feel for what hate crimes are all about. They have been in the business of killing off groups like the Klan for Decades and decades. Hate Crimes Legislation is VERY helpful to them when they go after the Klan, Skin Heads and other Terrorist Organizations in Civil Court. They supported this legislation and was one of the groups who wanted it passed.

[scottyusa]

This is a bunch of bull. It is against the law to attack anybody so what is so special about *** and blacks? How about one for us caucasions we are getting to be a minority ourselves. Makes me feel special.

[skyk-2009]

Isn''''t there hate in every crime?




Posted by yongamerica at 04:53 PM : Dec 06, 2007
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Of course there isn''t. Some guy sticks up a gas station to feed his family or some kid hotwires a car to joy ride...there''s no hate in those crimes... wrong yes but when you commit a crime because you hate the person or the person''s beliefs... that''s a hate crime. We first passed such laws back when the Klan was big in the south. They, the Klan, are Religious Extremist and it''s Religious Extremist who are being protected NOW.

[superdem]

Guess I was wrong - gay was not blocked in my last message. It doesn''t change my point.

[superdem]

Of course homosexuals need protection, just look at this site, you can''t even spell gay without it being blocked out as obscene. No there is not hate in every crime, some are just mindless random murders. Do you think that kid who killed the Redskin in Florida hated him ? NO - he probably loved football, and admired football stars. It''s a different category of killer who decides within himself that it''s OK to kill a member of a hated minority. And it''s a lesson to the whole society that this thinking is WRONG.

[animalwoman-2009]

ttinsly - you don''t have to hate someone or something to disapprove of it. You''re entitled to your opinion as is everyone. There''s no law that says we have to agree or approve of everyone and everything. Get over it.

[usayesterday]

I MURDER PEOPLE BECAUSE I LOVE THEM!

Whew! That just saved me from ever being prosecuted for a "hate crime".

[yongamerica]

Isn''t there hate in every crime?

[global_chick]

Why should *** get special protection or stronger justice? Everyone is already protected against assault, murder, etc. We don''t need a special class of victims.

[animalwoman-2009]

Why can''t a bill go through without so many attached bills? Can''t they go through alone. Half of the good bills get bogged down or rejected because of some junk tack on to it. This is how all the stupid little bills that eat up our tax monies get through. Always some kind of way to ripe the little guy off. That''s what we pay all of senators and congressmen do for us. Well maybe it''s not for us but for themselves.

[cbs_oliver]

""We don''t have the votes," said one House Democratic aide, who spoke on condition of anonymity because conference negotiations are ongoing. "We''re about 40 votes short, not four or six.""

OK by me if it won''t pass.

I know that George Bush and the Republicans threaton to hold the troops in Iraq and Afganistan hostage and allow them to starve and die if they don''t get their way - or else fire workers at bases - but, hey, we don''t negotiate with hostage takers.

[marcodele]

That was a dumb place to put that legislation.

[paris1969]

This is no surprise ... the current Bush Administration, Congress and Senate are the most pathetic leaders in the history of this country.

[antoniof123]

I am not prejudice I hate everyone equally.

Now that said the administration should not get one dime they have spent more than every other administration in US history. They have spent there share.