Comments on: Man Kills Suspects While On Phone With 911

Two Men Shot In Texas By Joe Horn Who Saw Suspects Leaving Neighbor's House

[gpnmoab]

gaperdave,

I''m not trying to justify what happened. In fact, I would have let the police take care of it. I was merely trying to find an underlying reason for Joe feeling it was necessary to go to the lengths he did. I''m sure his decision, like everone''s, is based on his entire lifes experiences. I''m sure most everyone would have just watched this happen for fear of getting involved or bringing some harm to themselves. Again, I''m not saying I would do what Joe did. I am saying that each of us have our limits of tolerance based on our personal experiences.

[jd9090]

@curvedbrain

If this man would of heeded the advice of the dispatcher he wouldn''t be in this situation. He seemed a bit too trigger happy for his own good. So it doesn''t matter if if they were armed or not. If he would of stayed inside and let the police handle it, we wouldn''t be sitting here reading about this.


Regarding your point about the illegal aliens, it''s not reported since it has absolutely nothing to do with the situation at hand.
What even makes you think about that? Are you automaticaly thinking that a hispanic name = illegal alien? If they had "american" names would this thought even cross your mind?
Also, if they happened to be illegal aliens, does it make this behavior acceptable?

amazing the things you read on the internet...

[erasmus6]

"I find comfort in the fact that our government knows that the second amendment will ensure that they never have ABSOLUTE control." posted by sferrari81

THEY ALREADY HAVE. You people have absolutely no say in what goes on in your country.

[curvedbrain]

Two important pieces of information are missing from this report, and all the other reports that I''ve read:

1) Were either of the robbers armed? The report doesn''t say

2) and although less relevant, it''s still newsworthy to report whether or not the robbers were illegal aliens.

Why not report those details?


Regarding d0gz74''s post earlier, he/she states

i "Boom! You''''re dead!" he shouts /i

I heard "move and you''re dead". But hey, if that doesn''t fit your narrative, feel free to take ''artistic license'' with what was actually said

[gaperdave]

" I''''ve seen how criminals are let go because people that are not envolved somehow feel sorry for or feel the criminals somehow deserve a break or that the crime just wasn''''t that bad." -gpnmoab1

And I clearly see this sentiment extends to people who would kill 2 strangers in cold blood. He was not defending his property. He was not defending other lives.

I''m no lawyer, just a simple guy. If I am made to choose between the lives two people committing the horric crime of breaking and entering and the life of someone who feels justified to kill simply for witnessing a non-violent crime in progess, the choice would have been extremely simple for me.

[texreiver]

This is typical Texas "horse *** and gun-smoke" mentality. Just a decision that Bush makes on a world basis.

Hey, middleman8, now that you''ve got your requisite Bush-bashing out of the way, which, btw, has absolutely nothing at all to do with this issue, keep in mind that our major cities aren''t crapholes like L.A., Detroit, and New Orleans.

I wish people like you would do better at convincing your neighbors about the "out west" attitude of Texas, and how backwards we are, so maybe they''ll stop MOVING HERE!

TR

[gpnmoab]

I knew Joe for many years. We worked for the same company. He was a senior engineer and myself an apprentice. He was our mentor. He never said a bad word about anything - he is a very kind man. This is a sad situation for which there is no repair. I can''t say I feel sorry for the burglers although I do for their loved ones. I too am frustrated at the level of crime in America and the seemingly liberal way criminals are delt with. That lack of punishment for criminals is what is driving honest citizens crazy. It''s not the police, they are doing everything they can to catch the criminals and deliver them to the Judge and Jurys who in turn either let them go or give them light sentences. That is what is wrong here and what I feel drove Joe to the extremes he took. It''s my understanding our country has the most crime of any other - that in itself speaks volumes. I''ve been the victim of many thieves and both my daughters have been raped. I''ve seen how criminals are let go because people that are not envolved somehow feel sorry for or feel the criminals somehow deserve a break or that the crime just wasn''t that bad. I will not stand back and judge Joe. I wasn''t there to experience this event first hand. I cannot say how I would react to that situation. I do know as a young man many years ago I would have told you exactly what I would have done but after experiencing what I have, I now know that no matter how you think you would react that is not how it plays out... enough said.

[curvedbrain]

For those painting Horn as a trigger-happy vigilante, please explain why he (patiently?) waited 4 minutes after calling 911 before he began to act. A felony robbery in progress should have been responded to in less than the time he waited. Like so often is the case, law enforcement can''t in time act to protect us.

[catphish27]

I''m sure someone has noted this before....but this transcript is inaccurate. It leaves out the phrase "I''m gonna kill ''em" which he states right after "You wanna make a bet?"

[catphish27]

I''m sure someone has noted this before....but this transcript is inaccurate. It leaves out the phrase "I''m gonna kill ''em" which he states right after "You wanna make a bet?"

[jenny451]

After listening to Mr. Horn''s conversation with the dispatcher, it is clear that he had every intention of taking matters into his own hands. His civic duty called for him to notify law enforcement so THEY could handle things in the proper way. Instead, he felt imposing the death penalty was the only recourse for the men pilfering his neighbor''s property. He was safe within his home, not in any danger, yet he blatantly disregarded demands not to use his gun. It was an egotistical old man trying to be a big shot. To think that a macho vigilante like Joe Horn can presume to be judge, jury, and executioner over a bag of items that probably was worth at most a few hundred dollars sickens me. Those men will never have a chance to repent for their crimes, pay their debt to society, or find redemption. They may have been thieves, but that in and of itself does not mean that they had no redeeming qualities, nor that they did not deserve to live. NO material thing is worth taking a human life. Things can be replaced, people can''t. Let''s hope Mr. Horn someday realizes the magnitude of his arrogant, bullheaded, lethal choice. Unless it turns out that his neighbor''s baby was in the bag, this man was completely in the wrong. Sadly, his knee-jerk reaction will instead receive accolades from other gun-toting Yosemite Sams.

[jenny451]

After listening to Mr. Horn''s conversation with the dispatcher, it is clear that he had every intention of taking matters into his own hands. His civic duty called for him to notify law enforcement so THEY could handle things in the proper way. Instead, he felt imposing the death penalty was the only recourse for the men pilfering his neighbor''s property. He was safe within his home, not in any danger, yet he blatantly disregarded demands not to use his gun. It was an egotistical old man trying to be a big shot. To think that a macho vigilante like Joe Horn can presume to be judge, jury, and executioner over a bag of items that probably was worth at most a few hundred dollars sickens me. Those men will never have a chance to repent for their crimes, pay their debt to society, or find redemption. They may have been thieves, but that in and of itself does not mean that they had no redeeming qualities, nor that they did not deserve to live. NO material thing is worth taking a human life. Things can be replaced, people can''t. Let''s hope Mr. Horn someday realizes the magnitude of his arrogant, bullheaded, lethal choice. Sadly, his knee-jerk reaction will instead receive accolades from other gun-toting Yosemite Sams.

[jenny451]

After listening to Mr. Horn''s conversation with the 911 dispatcher, it is clear that he had every intention of taking matters into his own hands. His civic duty called for him to notify law enforcement so THEY could handle the incident in the proper way. Instead, he felt that imposing the death penalty was the only recourse he had for the two men caught pilfering his neighbor''s property. He was hidden and safe within the walls of his home, not in any personal danger, and yet he blatantly disregarded repeated demands that he not use his gun. It was an egotistical old man trying to be a big shot. To think that a macho vigilante like Joe Horn can presume to be judge, jury, and executioner over a bag of items that probably was worth at most a few hundred dollars sickens me. Those men will never have a chance to repent for their crimes, pay their debt to society, or find redemption. They may have been thieves, but that in and of itself does not mean that they had no redeeming qualities, nor that they did not deserve to live. NO material thing is worth taking a human life. Things can be replaced, people can''t. Let''s hope Mr. Horn someday realizes the magnitude of his arrogant, bullheaded, lethal choice. Sadly, his knee-jerk reaction will instead receive accolades from other gun-toting Yosemite Sams.

[d0gz74]

I agree the conversation has gotten off topic. As is typical with our society, every discussion becomes a meaningless clash of ego, and not a real discussion. The real issue here is the lack of education which is growing like a cancer in this country. This was a clash of idiots. The idoit with the gun won. He is not a hero, nor are the dead burglers victims. Both parties made bad decisions. Two are dead, one is likely to be jailed, and have two dead on his conscious for the rest of his life. Unless of course, he is as stupid as he sounded, in which case he may actually believe he did the right thing...

"Boom! You''re dead!" he shouts. A loud bang is heard, then a shotgun being cocked and fired again, and then again.

[gaperdave]

I think some of you have gotten off topic. To me this news has nothing to do with gun control. It would have been the same had he gone with a baseball bat.

It''s premeditated murder. This guy is sitting there with a phone, planning the the killing while analyzing if he could get away with it (when talking about the legality of a shotgun) all while not in imminent danger, or any kind of danger for that matter.

His age of 61 is probably what created most of the sympathy for him. This man is a sociopath. Has he been 16, people would have been rummaging through his house looking for a copy of Half-Life or whatever new media that supposedly broke this guy.

[nikkicatt1]

I see we have very passionate opinions about this. Alot of it comes from the frustration and helplessness of not being the strongest nation on earth anymore.After WWII, we felt soooo secure. Now we see a terrorist in every criminal activity. While it is very sad that 2 men got killed, I applaud Mr. Horn for having the guts to protect his neighborhood. If every home had a shotgun and people determined to use force to stop crime, most crime would stop. Every America adult that is physically and mentally able should carry a gun to stop all this crime. I don''t like Rush Limbaugh, but, I do agree that most Americans are "Sheeple".

[sferrari81]

Also, BTW, Dialog about incidents such as this are essential to a free and prosperous nation. That being said, the divisiveness needs to stop. Disagree, but be respectful. Bring a rational, informed arguement; not hatred.

[sferrari81]

Erasmus - what country do you live in?

[sferrari81]

erasmus - you missed my point. I was simply stating that eliminating firearms isn''t an acceptable solution. I would rather deal with two dead felons than millions of dead Jews or Muslims. Do you understand what I am getting at? With America moving toward a Nazi mentality I find comfort in the fact that our government knows that the second amendment will ensure that they never have ABSOLUTE control. I will concede that we have become a plutocracy in recent years. Our president is not a genuine person. I will not concede that eliminating firearms is an effective solution. Also, BTW, you shouldn''t be so disrespectful. It hurts your credibility.

[erasmus6]

"Before you recite wives tales of the law..know the law." posted by hpshooterj

I''m thinkin'' you should take your own advice.