Comments on: House Panel Gets Earful On Waterboarding

In Spite Of Bickering In D.C., Experts Say Interrogation Method Is Torture, Must Never Be Used

[donbl1]

According to the "agreement" between the Democrats in the Senate and Mukasey, Mukasey will enforce all laws on waterboarding and the Democrats are to consider a specific law as the current laws are not specific enough.

Shall we count the days? Or, are they too busy?

[dscott407]

Hi dscott407.

I find it more than a little bit silly.

This Josef Goebbels/Rush Limbaugh wannabe Joel Surnow got his start selling carpets and moved on to selling wars.

He never wore the uniform, of course, but he"s turning a real nice profit.

Posted by Iceman_1960 at 08:54 PM : Nov 08, 2007

Goebbels? He was a Nazi wasn''t he?

But the bottom line is to this whole mess is about profit isn''t it?

And POWER!

[iceman_1960]

"Don"t you find it just a little bit silly that a Hollywood TV show has somehow seemed to set the bar on when torture should be acceptable?"
- Posted by dscott407 at 08:50 PM : Nov 08, 2007

Hi dscott407.

I find it more than a little bit silly.

This Josef Goebbels/Rush Limbaugh wannabe Joel Surnow got his start selling carpets and moved on to selling wars.

He never wore the uniform, of course, but he"s turning a real nice profit.

[dscott407]

Hello iceman_1960...I hope that you are having a good evening.

Don''t you find it just a little bit silly that a Hollywood TV show has somehow seemed to set the bar on when torture should be acceptable?

[iceman_1960]

The despicable chickenhawk Joel Surnow:

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/02/19/070219fa_fact_mayer

[iceman_1960]

"Kleinman and Nance both said that the reasons such coercive techniques have been used is that those in charge of interrogations are overruled by those higher up who, they say, are wrongly influenced by media representations of torture, like the TV show "24," and ignore the body of evidence that shows torture does not work."

It sounds like a bunch of mental 12-year-olds were in charge.

"It works ! I saw it on TV !"

Incidentally, "24" is a nasty little Fox Channel concotion of Right Wing Neocon Chickenhawk propagandist Joel Surnow, a self-admitted Rush Limbaugh wannabe (he even smokes cigars like his hero Limbaugh).

IMDB.com notes:

"Surnow: Fan of conservative radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh; hosted him at a cast party for "24" in April of 2005."

[dscott407]

Muslims are irrelevant. As is the "war on terror," OBL and al qaida.


The US Constitution prohibits torture.

You either support the US Constitution or you do not.

Bush and supporters do not.

It''''s just that simple.

Posted by tuckerndfw at 08:10 PM : Nov 08, 2007

Good post...I believe that you are right on the money. If you will permit me, I would also add that US Law and International Law states that torture in illegal. But this administration has demonstrated time and time again that they do not care about the Law.

They claim that they are above the Law. So US and International Law are also irrelevant.

Would you agree?

dscott407

[iceman_1960]

"The US Constitution prohibits torture."

"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted." - Amendment 8

Nowhere does it say, "except for foreigners. Go ahead and torture them. That"s fine."

The Founding Father"s believed that, as stated in the Declaration of Independence, all human beings have "unalienable rights."

[king16x]

Waterboarding is torture.

When the Senate votes on Mukasey, they will either be voting for the use of torture or against the use of torture.

The whole world is watching!

[iceman_1960]

"The use of force, even torture to win this conflict will not make more enemies, it will demonstrate we are a force they must come to terms with or suffer the consequences. The choice is up to them."
- Posted by Prelgovisk at 07:29 PM : Nov 08, 2007

We"ve become like our enemies.

This is exactly what Osama bin Laden said about 9/11.

"Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or al Qaeda. Your security is in your own hands. Each and every state that does not tamper with our security will have automatically assured its own security... Free people do not relinquish their security. This is contrary to Bush''s claim that we hate freedom. Let him tell us why we did not strike Sweden, for example."
- Osama bin Laden, October 2004