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In Spite Of Bickering In D.C., Experts Say Interrogation Method Is Torture, Must Never Be Used
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- According to the "agreement" between the Democrats in the Senate and Mukasey, Mukasey will enforce all laws on waterboarding and the Democrats are to consider a specific law as the current laws are not specific enough.
Shall we count the days? Or, are they too busy? - Reply to this comment
- Hi dscott407.
I find it more than a little bit silly.
This Josef Goebbels/Rush Limbaugh wannabe Joel Surnow got his start selling carpets and moved on to selling wars.
He never wore the uniform, of course, but he"s turning a real nice profit.
Posted by Iceman_1960 at 08:54 PM : Nov 08, 2007
Goebbels? He was a Nazi wasn''t he?
But the bottom line is to this whole mess is about profit isn''t it?
And POWER! - Reply to this comment
- "Don"t you find it just a little bit silly that a Hollywood TV show has somehow seemed to set the bar on when torture should be acceptable?"
- Posted by dscott407 at 08:50 PM : Nov 08, 2007
Hi dscott407.
I find it more than a little bit silly.
This Josef Goebbels/Rush Limbaugh wannabe Joel Surnow got his start selling carpets and moved on to selling wars.
He never wore the uniform, of course, but he"s turning a real nice profit. - Reply to this comment
- Hello iceman_1960...I hope that you are having a good evening.
Don''t you find it just a little bit silly that a Hollywood TV show has somehow seemed to set the bar on when torture should be acceptable? - Reply to this comment
- The despicable chickenhawk Joel Surnow:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/02/19/070219fa_fact_mayer - Reply to this comment
- "Kleinman and Nance both said that the reasons such coercive techniques have been used is that those in charge of interrogations are overruled by those higher up who, they say, are wrongly influenced by media representations of torture, like the TV show "24," and ignore the body of evidence that shows torture does not work."
It sounds like a bunch of mental 12-year-olds were in charge.
"It works ! I saw it on TV !"
Incidentally, "24" is a nasty little Fox Channel concotion of Right Wing Neocon Chickenhawk propagandist Joel Surnow, a self-admitted Rush Limbaugh wannabe (he even smokes cigars like his hero Limbaugh).
IMDB.com notes:
"Surnow: Fan of conservative radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh; hosted him at a cast party for "24" in April of 2005." - Reply to this comment
- Muslims are irrelevant. As is the "war on terror," OBL and al qaida.
The US Constitution prohibits torture.
You either support the US Constitution or you do not.
Bush and supporters do not.
It''''s just that simple.
Posted by tuckerndfw at 08:10 PM : Nov 08, 2007
Good post...I believe that you are right on the money. If you will permit me, I would also add that US Law and International Law states that torture in illegal. But this administration has demonstrated time and time again that they do not care about the Law.
They claim that they are above the Law. So US and International Law are also irrelevant.
Would you agree?
dscott407 - Reply to this comment
- "The US Constitution prohibits torture."
"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted." - Amendment 8
Nowhere does it say, "except for foreigners. Go ahead and torture them. That"s fine."
The Founding Father"s believed that, as stated in the Declaration of Independence, all human beings have "unalienable rights." - Reply to this comment
- Waterboarding is torture.
When the Senate votes on Mukasey, they will either be voting for the use of torture or against the use of torture.
The whole world is watching! - Reply to this comment
- "The use of force, even torture to win this conflict will not make more enemies, it will demonstrate we are a force they must come to terms with or suffer the consequences. The choice is up to them."
- Posted by Prelgovisk at 07:29 PM : Nov 08, 2007
We"ve become like our enemies.
This is exactly what Osama bin Laden said about 9/11.
"Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or al Qaeda. Your security is in your own hands. Each and every state that does not tamper with our security will have automatically assured its own security... Free people do not relinquish their security. This is contrary to Bush''s claim that we hate freedom. Let him tell us why we did not strike Sweden, for example."
- Osama bin Laden, October 2004 - Reply to this comment
- I have looked everywhere and cannot find an article or news story about Al Qaeda and company debating the Geneva Convention, treatment of prisoners (who are really pawns and hostages) and most of all torture. We americans are being criticized world wide no doubt but for what? We are imprisoning our soldiers and scrutinizing their every shot in a war where the opponent has no rules and not only dresses in civilian clothes but mingles with them. How many U.S. prisoners do they have right now? None that are alive. So if you want to tip them upside down and give them a drink to save even 1 U.S. soldier then go for it.
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- I do not know why Bush/Cheney would gagg Lt. Col Couch, heck-the whole world knows that they are war criminals and so are many of their brown-shirt stooges-General, officers, diplomats, bureaucrats, Congressmen, and private contractors. There will be no "get out of jail free card". This is not monopoly we are playing here and I suggest that many in this Fascist, Criminal mis-administration think twice about what they are doing and covertly give information to Congress and the press.
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- The Moslems won the "Hearts and Minds" of their people through use of the sword. They respect strength and despise weakness. They do not hate us because we tortured anyone. They envy and covet our power, so they attack our weak point: we are addicted to approbation.
The use of force, even torture to win this conflict will not make more enimies, it will demonstrate we are a force they must come to terms with or suffer the consequences. The choice is up to them. - Reply to this comment
- hungry1968,,, Actually GITMO hasn''t worked out so hot. We''ve only managed to get one detained changed to enemy combatant status, & he was an Austrailian & sent to them & he only recieved 6 months in jail.... Most were rendered to other country''s for the torture.
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- Have a good one, don''''t forget to put hungry1968 in the padded cell and lock the door
Posted by jowand at 07:16 PM : Nov 08, 2007
I love when they leave with comments like this!!
It''s proof they''ve lost the argument!! - Reply to this comment
- hungry1968,,, He could be a neo con,,, but everything I see from him he''''s just another religious nut that will lie & say anything & allow anything just to get a anti abortion judge on the Supreme Court.
Posted by j-whitman at 07:10 PM : Nov 08, 2007
His redundant question of "if a bomb was going off in an hour..." is so stupid that it doesn''t deserve a response, but I did anyway.
Say I was the terrorist and was being tortured as to "where the bomb is". If I said "the empire state building", that would be enough enough to stop the torture - but there''s no way they would find the bomb in only one hour, because the main focus would be evacuation of the building. And then the Sears tower in Chicago explodes. So where is the pay off for torture?
And why are we letting all of these supposed "torturees" out of Guantanamo if they''re so evil and dangerous? And how much actionable intelligence is someone that we''ve had in custody for YEARS going to have? All questions that I posed to jowand the moron earlier - and I still haven''t gotten my response yet. - Reply to this comment
- jowand,,,,, You are quite wrong on that, much actionable intel we did get by showing respect in interegations & not by abusive techniques.
Posted by j-whitman at 07:12 PM : Nov 08, 2007
Got to go, enjoy talking with you and the fact you don''t go the hate speech and F word route on your post. Have a good one, don''t forget to put hungry1968 in the padded cell and lock the door - Reply to this comment
- You really should take the time to watch other news sources & read articles that don''t come from a right wing news or political group.
Dinner time, another day. - Reply to this comment
- Posted by SearingTruth at 07:08 PM : Nov 08, 2007
Unfortunately, you are correct. We used to be THE moral authority - when we talked people listened. George Bush and his cabal have squandered all of our credibility. They''ve also financially bankrupted us. They''ve compromised our national security. They''ve turned their backs on the citizens of America. Or should I say the 95% of us that aren''t in the top 5% of wage earners. Our money isn''t strong enough to buy clout through the lobbyists - but it''s more than enough for Haliburton to steal directly from our treasury.
What a shame. - Reply to this comment
- jowand,,,,, You are quite wrong on that, much actionable intel we did get by showing respect in interegations & not by abusive techniques.
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