Comments on: Phone Companies Muzzled On Eavesdropping

White House Forbids Telecom Companies From Telling Congress About Surveillance Activity

[starleo146]

Posted by rangerdahl at 07:04 PM : Oct 16, 2007

What is disturbing about this is the inability of this administration to share any information with the intelligence committee. And yet, they expect even broader measures to be passed, with no oversight.
"formally invoked the state secrets privilege to prevent AT&T from either confirming or denying" any details about intelligence programs,"
I do not know if anyone has gone to jail or been impacted in any way by the telecom spying, however, years ago during the "red" scare, many files were secretly kept on Americans labeled "red, or even, pink" That operation too, was kept secret because of "national security" , although many good Americans lost their careers because of being labeled. Many who justified that considered themselves, "patriotic" and anyone who disagreed as "unpatriotic" It is not inconceivable that Americans are being spied on by this excessively secretive administration simply because they disagree with national policies.

Posted by pastdue1 at 07:26 PM : Oct 16, 2007

Maybe you can understand this Rangerdahl, but I think when a neocon is a neocon there mind and eyes are shut.

[kansas1946]

What is a "tinhat" anyway?

[kansas1946]

Hey you paranoid tinhat bush bashers: Please quit throwing the word "fascist" around willy nilly.
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If I recall, I think it was Rush that started with the goofy term, "Islamofascist." And now that is all you hear from the Bush apologists. Islamofascist...Islamofascist...
Yeah, you are right, it has lost its punch.

[kansas1946]

ranger,
No, you can relax because a lot of us don''t and never will. If you know sheep, most will follow the leader into a river in full fleece and drown, but there are always a few that say, "What the hell," and stay on the bank. I choose to stay on the bank and bleat like hell about a president that strives to be a dictator.

[rudy654-2009]

"maintains the National Security Agency asked Qwest to allow it to conduct electronic surveillance without a court order in February 2001, six months before the Sept. 11 attacks."

I sure wish somebody would explore and explain this. Six months before the attack?? Or you kidding me?? Did they know something six months before the attack, or what exactly were they doing then violating due process? This is very odd; about as odd as that anthrax situation that followed the 9/11 attacks and were traced to US labs.

[usayesterday]

Hey you paranoid tinhat bush bashers: Please quit throwing the word "fascist" around willy nilly. You''''ve basically rendered that word meaningless now. At least look up fascism and get an understanding of what it really is. I mean this in all seriousness.

Posted by YankeeRebel7 at 07:02 PM : Oct 16, 2007
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I have researched what a fascist government really is.

Perhaps you should too. Or how many more freedoms do you need taken away or restricted before you realize what fascism really means?

And by the way...

I wear no hat on my head, and no ideology, (religious or political), on my sleeve.

[yankeerebel7]

Whoa, somebody get you guys tinhats!

[mystixa]

The bad thing about claiming this as a state secret, is that it really has nothing to do with national security. Anyone with any knowledge of modern technology after the 80s knows that the government can listen to any conversation, and only through our law does it not do so routinely. So there is no security gained by keeping any company from speaking about the fact that wiretapping is in fact done.

The only security that kind of policy addresses is that of those who broke the law. The administration is using national secrecy laws to protect its own interests.

As soon as that is proven I believe it will indeed amount to high crimes and misdemeanors since these crimes work directly against the constitution.

Why on earth would we grant retroactive immunity for crimes committed? That doesnt even make any sense. If these companies want to be acquitted for committing crimes because they truly felt it was in the country''s best interest let them convince a jury of that. However since this program began b4 9-11 it is doubtful to be possible.
Some of you deniers may not have realized it yet.. but we do live in the age of computers, its not nec. for a human to be listening at the other end in order to have monitored communication.

[rangerdahl]

Well, I''m off to the gym to lift weights. I need to be strong next time I go to Iraq so I can choke Iraqis who desperately need it. Until tomorrow my fellow Americans.

[rangerdahl]

MCVet:

Where''s my pot pie Granpa? and I want sose good smelling stuff in my bath too. Now hop to it!