Comments on: Coulter: We Want Jews To Be "Perfected"

Conservative Commentator Says An All-Christian America Would Be Better

[sblake63]

I wish I had a dollar for every time somebody equated somebody who asserted themselves or had strong opinions on anything as "hateful". If Ann C. used "softer" words and just said "Jews need to be converted to Christ for their salvation" There were still be people saying she was being hateful.

Christ had harsh words for non believers such as "no man may come to the father but me". So in order never to sound hateful, shall a Christian NEVER warn people about hell? Yes Christ said to love others, but sometimes love needs to be conveyed in stronger terms! Do parents not give harsh warnings to their kids when they are about to do something dangerous? So if a parent has to raise their voice or get rightfully angry, it means they are not doing it out of love. Liberals and moderates feed off of the verbage and placement of words, letting the true intent evade them LOL !

Stop taking a few verses out of the bible people in order to "muzzle" Christians that rightfully remind others that if you are not saved by the blood of Christ, you ARE going to hell. Christ said it himself, he told the 12 disciples to preach the gospel to the whole world. He didnt say preach just the "happy go lucky aspects of it, ALL of it.

Ann C. was right about them needing to be saved. But she should have expanded it to ALL people needing to be saved and dropped the term "perfected". In this age where the message gets lost because of a poor choice of words, I guess she should have known better!

[whispyseas]

'' ... 300 folk in 300 weeks can assemble 90,000 little museums of medical you are here map song dance skit kit ... ''

[taotxzen]

And there%u2019s another thing most reporting fails to convey: the sheer extremism of these people.

You see, Regent isn%u2019t a religious university the way Loyola or Yeshiva are religious universities. It%u2019s run by someone whose first reaction to 9/11 was to brand it God%u2019s punishment for America%u2019s sins.

Two days after the terrorist attacks, Mr. Robertson held a conversation with Jerry Falwell on Mr. Robertson%u2019s TV show %u201CThe 700 Club.%u201D Mr. Falwell laid blame for the attack at the feet of %u201Cthe pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the *** and the lesbians,%u201D not to mention the A.C.L.U. and People for the American Way. %u201CWell, I totally concur,%u201D said Mr. Robertson.

The Bush administration%u2019s implosion clearly represents a setback for the Christian right%u2019s strategy of infiltration. But it would be wildly premature to declare the danger over. This is a movement that has shown great resilience over the years. It will surely find new champions.

[sftodd]

Good luck, doctors have been trying to perfect her face for years, but still, well, let''s just say they haven''t succeeded yet.

[taotxzen]

(cont)

Kay Cole James, who had extensive connections to the religious right and was the dean of Regent%u2019s government school, was the federal government%u2019s chief personnel officer from 2001 to 2005. (Curious fact: she then took a job with Mitchell Wade, the businessman who bribed Representative Randy %u201CDuke%u201D Cunningham.) And it%u2019s clear that unqualified people were hired throughout the administration because of their religious connections.

For example, The Boston Globe reports on one Regent law school graduate who was interviewed by the Justice Department%u2019s civil rights division. Asked what Supreme Court decision of the past 20 years he most disagreed with, he named the decision to strike down a Texas anti-sodomy law. When he was hired, it was his only job offer.


-Paul Krugman

[taotxzen]

(cont)

The infiltration of the federal government by large numbers of people seeking to impose a religious agenda %u2014 which is very different from simply being people of faith %u2014 is one of the most important stories of the last six years. It%u2019s also a story that tends to go underreported, perhaps because journalists are afraid of sounding like conspiracy theorists.

But this conspiracy is no theory. The official platform of the Texas Republican Party pledges to %u201Cdispel the myth of the separation of church and state.%u201D And the Texas Republicans now running the country are doing their best to fulfill that pledge.

(cont)

[whispyseas]

'' ... they don''t pay me to dance get well feed world songs with street corner naked kids, they pay me to dance darehouse get sick tax world songs on their naked ***** ... and i like that ...''

'' ... average 90,000 counties of 90,000 folk, 300 villages of 300 folk per county, since 10,800 daily dollars are required for the village to earn minimum wage, each folkone must visit 36 sick beds at 36 villages each day to swap one $1 tip medical you are here map song dance skit kit, and $12,000 per year each folk one affords $60,000 340 square foot home and 2500 square foot lot ... ''

'' ... most folk most time dance get well feed world songs rallied round hundreds millions sick beds drifting tens millions spore bloom weed dragon trail fickle first aid lunch farm cottage studio trail crossing yseedsberry trail groups, most dance 20 daily minutes of porno hike naked dance dressed get sick tax world songs too ... ''

[taotxzen]

In 1981, Gary North, a leader of the Christian Reconstructionist movement %u2014 the openly theocratic wing of the Christian right %u2014 suggested that the movement could achieve power by stealth. %u201CChristians must begin to organize politically within the present party structure,%u201D he wrote, %u201Cand they must begin to infiltrate the existing institutional order.%u201D

Today, Regent University, founded by the televangelist Pat Robertson to provide %u201CChristian leadership to change the world,%u201D boasts that it has 150 graduates working in the Bush administration.

Unfortunately for the image of the school, where Mr. Robertson is chancellor and president, the most famous of those graduates is Monica Goodling, a product of the university%u2019s law school. She%u2019s the former top aide to Alberto Gonzales who appears central to the scandal of the fired U.S. attorneys and has declared that she will take the Fifth rather than testify to Congress on the matter.

(cont)

[whispyseas]

'' ... if the four year olds are getting tortured, then slam the ten year olds in detention ... that will sure teach them how to rule well or else ... and to think such messages originate with those what care enough to call the d.a.r.eing a school house war ... ''

'' ... infinite divergence said eternity, it''s like if i cut you with my knife, then i''ve not cut you i''ve cut myself, if you cut me with a knife, then you''ve not cut me, i''ve cut myself ... i have a few faces to choose from, a face where i cut you, a face where you cut me, a face where we are apart, and a face where we make babies together, and you have as many faces, and we each make a selection of the path to choose, we each walk each path and each choose to view any one or more of the paths at any time and in any order that we choose, and whichever path or paths we choose to observe together at anytime, that is where are this part of you and i, here and now ... ''

'' ... the screen actually has infinite lines of resolution and refreshes and infinite number of times each infinitesmal speck of time, yet i choose but to view a tiny few lines of resolution refreshing at an unbelievably slow rate, just as i dance infinite dances across infinite space and time each infinitesmal moment, yet choose to witness but a few dances confined to but a few spaces and a few times ... ''

[whispyseas]

'' ... i spent time once throwing grown men off the backs of dragons to break all their bones in a pile of seaweed that would venomize them enough to keep them alive long enough to put them back together again, it really turned me on ... granted, they were all volunteers that were into that at the time ... but then everyone does it here and there and now and then, even grown men ... ''

'' ... a naked girl walked in and said i''ve here a tiny acorn i''ll make shine like the sun, and folk doubted, and the girl scratched her head and said e=mc2, and everyone dropped their jaws and shook their heads and said, you really can make that shine like the sun ... and magic happened ... and once, another girl said, i can sail a straight line to here without falling off the globe for the world is round, and she made folk believe, and folk believed, and magic happened ... then a congress said, give us trillions of dollars of weapons and we swear no one will get mugged or raped or killed, and they made folk believe and folk believed, and magic happened ... ''

'' ... little naked girls know well, if one puts a naked girl on a news desk dancing get well feed world songs rallied around the sick beds, then the world will fill with naked girls on news desks everywhere, which is why little naked girls don''t get on news desks, to give little dressed armed boys a chance ... ''

[sftodd]

she''s just angry because people keep mistaking her for a man, and a really ugly one at that; we really should ignore her because she only does this stuff to get rich; she doesn''t believe it any more than a televangelist believes he''s doing god''s work by stealing from the poor and the elderly

[multili-2009]

Lots of athiests like ricard darwkings, famous singers like use stronger language about converting to their beliefs, they have all sorts of web sites, ie betterhuman.org. There are jews who want everyone to be pro-jewish.

And just like some supposed christians, some supposed athiests like Stalin, Lenin, Mao have killed people. Social darwinism can be an extreme form of athiesm that encourages sterlizing or killing weak genes.

As well if you look up history of jewish groups such as Lehi, killing british rulers, trying to work with Nazi''s against british and some murders are motivated by jewish extremists as well.

Most groups figure they are superior and have extermists who claim to be members to the rest and others should join them, I don''t see why this is even a story. If she was encouraging forced conversions, that would be different.

[curtisscott2]

I couldn''t care what Ann Coulter believes and barely what she says, but doesn''t everybody understand that by definition, religions are not tolerant, how convincing is it to say - I absolutely believe this - but respect your right to believe something entirely different and hence acknowlege the idea that my religion may be wrong. Why be surprised if she is going to utter such phrases, every devout member of every religion (at least secretly) believes that they have the only right answer - or they''re not a very good at being devout. To criticize her or anybody else for uttering comments is to be equally intolerant of their right to be devout. It''s this circular logic that makes this a problem - short version, relax, more discussion just makes it worse.

[curtisscott2]

I couldn''t care what Ann Coulter believes and barely what she says, but doesn''t everybody understand that by definition, religions are not tolerant, how convincing is it to say I absolutely believe this - but respect your right to believe something entirely different and hence accept the idea that my religion may be wrong. Why be surprised if she is going to utter such phrases, every devout member of every religion (at least secretly) believes that they have the only right answer - or they''re not a very good at being devout. To criticize her or anybody else for uttering comments is to be equally intolerant of their right to be devout. It''s this circular logic that makes this a problem - short version, relax, more discussion just makes it worse.

[chazn2]

Post 3 - to Redhoffer

Just an additional thought. I trusted Yeshua for my salvation a long time ago. Prior to then, life had utterly no meaning. Yes, we can accomplish things in this life but ultimately we die and the value of these accomplishments, to me were like tumbleweed in the wind. My friends and relatives were all wonderful people. Jewish liturgy supports the notion of a resurrection from the dead, but it is not actually believed. For all intensive purposes, there was no hope.

Yeshua has given me hope and a love of G-d. I seek to share that. Thankfully, I live in a country that, thus far, has given me the freedom to share this hope. Likewise, people have the freedom to not listen. :-)

Best regards

[chazn2]

Post 2 - to Redhoffer

The present "war on terror" is about "religion". Until the human race comes to a consensus about who God is, we will forever be at war.

Now, as I see it, there are two ways that we can come to this consensus. Either we humans willingly debate the issue rationally or we let someone impose his/her view on us whether it be objectively true or not.

Now, to be dismissive of Ms. Coulter''s remark, ''though she is clearly in the minority, smacks of ignorance. Ms. Coulter tends to be careless in her use of words, but is, nevertheless, not entirely ignorant. For example...

1. All but 1 of the New Testament writers was Jewish.
2. Jesus was Jewish
3. The big debate in the early "Church" was "Could a Gentile like Ann Coulter become a "Christian" without first becoming a Jew? (I find the irony of the reversal of this reality over the ensuing 1800+ years utterly astonishing!)
4. There have always been throughout history, a small minority of Jewish people who''''ve believed in Jesus.
5. Holding open just the hypothetical possibility that Jesus is, in fact the Jewish Messiah, the overall rejection of Him by the Jewish people might just serve to confuse the rest of humanity about who the true God who created the universe (if He/she even exists) really is and what He''''s like. (this unwittingly supports the world view of Islam, and its concept of Sharia.)
6. Popular Jewish identity rests upon the rejection of Jesus. This is irrational.

best regards

[chazn2]

Thank you for your most thoughtful reply, Redhoffer. Because of length, I will have to submit my reply in two postings.

I tend to agree with you. Overall, the Jewish people are well accomplished and a peaceful people.

I have also seen the other side of the coin. I''ve experienced their vitriol and intolerence as well.

I still believe that Jesus is their Messiah and there will be no world peace until that reality is accepted. My task is to simply raise the banner. I cannot "convert" one soul. That''s not my nor anyone''s job. The next post is what I''ve posted before but I''m sure has been missed by most people. It sort of summarizes my rationale for my position...

[taotxzen]

-taotxzen. Read the Bible. All of it. Not just what suits your needs.

The Bible tells us to be evangelists for Christ.

Little do you know, my friend

Posted by singinrick

I have read the bible cover to cover and I also study Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, and Confucianism.

You might be surprised that each of the great spiritual traditions has a common goal and it isn%u2019t politics or greed.

[boston1954]

Maybe someone should shave her "blond" head and then just maybe she would have a slight feel of what the Jews lived through.

Posted by Toie1 at 04:05 PM : Oct 11, 2007
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Don''t forget to tattoo her wrist!!

[redhoffer]

Chazn2 - You took the time to put together a nice response so I figure I should acknowledge it.

The truth is that you are obviously more educated in religion (and probably most other issues) than I am, as I couldn''t grasp all of your post.

I will continue that someone as intellectual as you somehow defending Coulter''s comments as defending the messiah is sad. She is not a good person and when christianity is interpreted by right-wing politicians and used for their benefit, the results are vile and appalling. Coulter shuld not be defended, and someone as smart as you saying anything on her behalf is sad.

Jews are fine the way they are.

No blood is spilled in the name of judiasm, at least not for a long time (unless you want to talk about jesus'' blood like so many hateful people). Jews would be fine being ignored in there faith by outsiders.
Christians have a different history, and christianity is too tied in to politics to separate the two. It does not matter if you like that or agree with it, it is a basic fact. Your christian beliefs are political beliefs, and these political beliefs lead to lies and death.
I was raised christian but I worry about my children being around christians, I''d feel safer if they were exposed to practicing jews to be honest. I know the jews would not try to influence their beliefs. You could easily influence a child I bet since you are so smart, but if you think Anne Coulter is okay and worth defending I would not want that.