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14-Year-Old Who Felt Bullied Amassed Guns, Knives And Grenades For Possible School Attack

[gunownerdan]

Responsible teachers who choose to carry concealed weapons to protect themselves and others should be allowed to do so even on school property.
Terrorists and other criminals will always prefer unarmed victims.
Self defense is the most basic of human rights!
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[keithle1]

"The weapons were plainly visible in the boy''s bedroom, Castor said."

Mother of the Year here. Other countries must look at the USA & think, "What the heck is going on over there?"

I''m concerned that when the Chinese invade us we won''t have a "well-regulated militia" to defend against them. It''s in the Constitution. You don''t care about the Constitution?

We have 9 guns for every 10 people in the USA.
Will that 1 person who is left please buy a gun!

[gmond]

If my mother bought me an assault rifle when I was 14, I would have used it. But my mother wasn''t a moron.

[missut2]

MissUT2.....are you my mom....you described my upbringing to a T and I think you are absolutely right! Bravo!
------------------------------------------------------Posted by dmhphils at 12:40 AM : Oct 12, 2007

Thank you! What I didn''t tell you was that for a part of that time, I was a single Mom.


metaustin and brianbwb...I understand what you are saying about a bully. I live in TN and during that time frame, we had never heard of gangs, except from TV. I saw plenty of bullying, in varying degrees, and I saw a few fights. No one was seriously hurt, except for their pride. If your Mom found out you had been fighting, you were in some serious trouble.
But once you stood up to the bully and refused to give him/her your lunch money, or your homework, or whatever...they eventually left you alone. The worst thing I saw in elementary and middle school was older boys that disturbed the class and were disrespectful to the teachers by back-talking and refusing to do the work assignments. They ended up in the principal''s office and sometimes expelled for 3 days.
Thank goodness I didn''t live in a big city...I think we lived in a different, safer world.

[Krazcarl]

Not trying to start something but probably will why don''t schools teach firearm safty a lot of these boys and some girls hunt and some will end up in the military I''d see nothing wrong with a shooting club clay pigions not people.

[METAUSTIN]

It''s easy to say "put up your dooks and defend yourself" when you are an adult and have been out of school for 80 years. But when you are in school or had bad experiences while in school and are being (or had been) picked on by others, it''s an entirely different story.

I am not going to defend what this kid did (what did he do???), but he was hurting still - remember he is currently home-schooled. When school officials refuse to protect students so they can attend schools and learn something, then what other options do students have? And where were they, anyway? A 14 year old is a child. Where were his defenders? They are the ones that should face prison time! Not everyone can afford private security guards or private schools.

This is a sad state of affairs but when we have a bullying government that starts wars based on lies, tells us and others that we don''t torture prisoners when everyone in the world knows that we do; and when we have a government that frightens us just so they will get their way, what is a child supposed to think? (Just to let you know, scaring people into submission is the first step in brain-washing!)

[brianbwb-2009]

In my day, the 50-60''''s, you stood up to a bully. Posted by MissUT2

There is where the big mistake is often made, I am now 50, and back in the late 60s and early 70s, the bullies were already running in packs, with guns, knives, chains, etc. Standing up to a bully in Detroit meant that some one had to die, because you never leave an angry, temporarily defeated enemy to go home and get his buddies and "equipment".

Many parents were too busy working, or if they were lucky enough, watching "the Secret Storm", or the "Edge of Night", blissfully unaware, or purposely ignorant of the fact that the streets had grown far more dangerous than in "their day". If their child was the bully, they usually expressed pride that their child was "not going to be anyone''s punk".

The police were of no help whatsoever, your child had to be wounded or dead before they would respond, and the response was generally to come with an ambulance to take the body. Telling your son to "be a man, and stand up to the bullies" was basically saying "you''re on your own".

At 16, I had a gun, for emergencies, in my trumpet case. Fortunately, I was a popular musician in my school, and the most notorious class clown, so I never made enemies, but not everyone was so lucky.

In short, he was a bit extreme, but I understand the child''s fear, you cannot stay indoors all your life, you have to go to the store sometime, and if you are constantly bullied, what is the remedy?

[dmhphils]

MissUT2.....are you my mom....you described my upbringing to a T and I think you are absolutely right! Bravo!

[xzavierbrown]

Posted by fascistusa at 12:02 AM : Oct 12, 2007
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here is a reality check for you...these kids make more money that your loser arse selling drugs..

and if you can manage to peel your arse our of your playpen and walk outside (without your mom holding your hand) you would be amaze on how easy to get these when you have money

[fascistusa]

This story is complete BS.

14 years old.

How would he be able to buy these guns? Lunch Money?
Independantly wealthy? Trust fund?

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. COMPLETE NONSENSE. YOUR MEDIA LIES.

I know. They were just lying in the street and he picked them up. $$ 300 + guns that are registered with the state. Wait. Wait. Wait. I know. He used a metal detector. There''s so many high powered weapons just laying under dirt piles and in beaches all around Amerika.

[missut2]

Folks, we are talking about 14 yr old kids here! He was bullied & people were aware. My question is why no one, teacher or parent, informed the other of the situation & took control of it? In my day, the 50-60''s, you stood up to a bully. Most bully''s are cowards...you may get a black eye or tattered clothes, but by standing up to him/her, you took away their ability to intimidate you. You didn''t resort to settling your differences with guns & killing your teachers or classmates. It appears that his parents chose to remove him from the situation rather than facing it head on. Buying him guns, knives, etc is certainly not the answer.

My son, 36 now, had a set bedtime, ate meals with family, had household duties, needed permission to leave our house, but was not allowed out of our neighborhood. As he grew into a young man of high school age, I still knew who his friends were, where he was going, & was expected home by curfew. He still had his moments,& suffered the consequences, but thank God, he was never in any real trouble.

Parents don''t realize that children need & want boundaries. They don''t want a "buddy", they want a Mom and a Dad that love them & teaches them. They want their home to be a place of security, acceptance, accountability, and understanding. It''s sad that a lot of todays kids don''t have it.

[duffyn]

Like John Kerry said, if you want to shoot an assault rifle, join the military!!!! This kid will have a job someday! Glad they caught him and nothing happened though!

[duffyn]

I believe the violent videos, movies, and video games feed into this kind of stuff. America is actually a pretty violent place. But its a whole lot better than it was 50 - 100 years ago. I think there will be a lot less violence and not too much someday but I don''t think I''ll be around to see that! That''s pretty wild about the mom buying the assault rifle. Gee I wish my mom would''ve bought me one :)

[usayesterday]

Perhaps it''s time for some reverse-psychology!

Obviously, telling this generation of kids to NOT do something is like giving them the ticket to rebel against any authority, (mainly because in their early years, the "authority" did not do their job in authoritating).

In any case, we should now take the approach to say it''s okay to...

...use guns and other weapons to solve disputes

...use steroids to compete better in sports activities

...use drugs to make you popular among your friends/peers, also, underage drinking and smoking is okay.

...treat every green light as a symbol to race the person next to you (even if they''re driving a Kia).

And so on.

So if we all start this kind of teaching for today''s kids, perhaps they''ll get the message that if it''s approved by the older generation, then it must be very very very bad!

[thisandthat1]

We never had school shootings 20 years ago, 30 years ago or before. At least, not like we do today. And why is that? Maybe it''s because we now have a Media that reports every detail ... reports the student''s name, his thoughts, his history and his entire life''s story. They interview everyone who''s ever crossed paths with him! They almost make him a cult figure, an instant celebrity ... a Martyr! And for days, they keep reporting it and interviewing people about it as long as it serves their purpose and they can squeeze a little bit more for ratings out of the story. Don''t believe me? Virginia Tech was a classic example. And, no, I don''t think we should stick our heads in the sand, but I think the amount of attention paid to it only perpetuates it.

[jetranger7]

Absolutely Ridlicious and Outright Stupid, that this Kid even had the time to do all this, and to think his mother bought him an assult rifle ?? Is she on Drugs or What ? Wake up for Christ sakes, that Kid should of been doing something else, and lay off those shootem'' Video Games, thats part of the problem, is these Violent Fantasy Video Games by Playstation and X-Box , it gives these kids sick ideas, thats how you handle things in life, Enough is Enough ! Wake-Up !!

[toolmangler-2009]

Posted by SkyFive at 10:20 PM : Oct 11, 2007


HUH????

[toolmangler-2009]

Thinardier = Thenardier (seems you can''t use accent marks on this page)

[toolmangler-2009]

Posted by rfcnj68 at 09:49 PM : Oct 11, 2007

I was not advocating forced prayer in schools. I was commenting on the reactions of a society with instant access to every new idea to "come down the pike" via the internet. Sometimes too much info can be a bad thing by flooding our minds before we ever get a chance to process that which we learned the day before. How can we provide our children a ''stable'' environment if we don''t have one ourselves. For me, enlightened religion gives me the stability I need. I hope that others have something that anchors them for their families. (they will have to find that themselves)

[shanev137]

Wow, thanks for clearing that up.

I never knew a 9 mm assault rifle was just a BB gun. So what you''re saying then is that it would have been no big deal if someone had been shot with it because it can''t do much damage. LOL

Great redneck logic. Thanks.