Comments on: Church Nixes Memorial For Gay Veteran

Family Enraged After Texas Megachurch Cancels Funeral Services For Gulf War Navy Veteran

[thesayer]

This one is for all the people who think they know scripture......( ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!LOL!!!)

Leviticus 18:22 Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable. [Read also verses 24-30.]

Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Deuteronomy 23:17 No Israelite man is to become a shrine prostitute. No Israelite woman is to become a shrine prostitute.

The "male shrine prostitute" was a homosexual. He is called a "dog" in verse 18, a nickname he received from the dog-like manner in which he debased himself with men.

Judges 19:21-23 So he took the man into his house and fed his donkeys. After they had washed their feet, they had something to eat and drink. While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, "Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have *** with him." The owner of the house went outside and said to them, "No, my friends, don't be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don't do this disgraceful thing."



There, I said it...

[tucano2]

Some people forget that churches are only congregated by sinners...EVERYone in the building is a sinner. Paul and Timothy, among others, were "close buddies", yet Christians, real ones, and not phoney-baloney ones, read and struggle to understand the writings ascribed to Paul without condemming him as Gay.

[randalds]

I can not or will not judge, but I feel the church was justified in refusing to hold the memorial in their building, but were willing to hold it somewhere else, at their cost no less. That is still showing love and concern.

Posted by jankebenz at 05:53 PM : Aug 11, 2007

But this "Church" did judge and that's NOT their place. If you're a Christian then it's not up to them to decide who is or is not worthy, it's up to god alone. As luvcomments rightly pointed out keeping to this standard there would be no one worthy of a Christian service.

[luvcomments]

I understood from the bible that we are commanded not to sit in judgment of others. We are to love one another.

Do we really expect somebody to be without sin? If that's the case, how come we offer memorial services for anybody at all?

We were commanded to leave judgment up to the Father.

Looks like a pretty church. Too bad they left Christ and His teachings out of it. He wasn't big on expensive places of worship, as I recall reading; in fact, didn't He start tearing down a lot of the garbage inside them, in anger?

[jankebenz]

Just goes to show ya that some "Christian" church congregations just are not really Christian at all...guess they never read anything written by the homosexual "St." Paul.
Posted by tucanofulano

Where on earth did you dig up that baloney about Paul ? Probably in some rewritten form of the bible by the sexual immoral community to legitimize their ways

[tucano2]

Just goes to show ya that some "Christian" church congregations just are not really Christian at all...guess they never read anything written by the homosexual "St." Paul.

[jankebenz]

And I still disagree. Christ did not "draw the line" at anyone and neither should any Christian church on earth. The bible is meant to be a guide, NOT a rulebook.
Posted by RandalDS at 05:14 PM : Aug 11, 2007

While you may still disagree, biblical lines do exist. Jesus said: " you say you love me yet you do not obey my commands ". As with any institution, firm , society , nation there are " rules " to adhere to . Break them and punishment ensues, you just can't go about you're merry way and do what you feel like.
Having said that I would however want to express my condolences to the Sinclair family at their loss. I can not or will not judge, but I feel the church was justified in refusing to hold the memorial in their building, but were willing to hold it somewhere else, at their cost no less. That is still showing love and concern.

[parakeet57]

Gay or straight, heck, the man was a veteran, who served his country. Please honor his service to his country and give him a descent burial and let his family have some peace.

[randalds]

Randalds :my apologies for the misspelled name,but the points made still stand

Posted by jankebenz at 04:50 PM : Aug 11, 2007

And I still disagree. Christ did not "draw the line" at anyone and neither should any Christian church on earth. The bible is meant to be a guide, NOT a rulebook.

[jankebenz]

Randalds :my apologies for the misspelled name,but the points made still stand

[bobgee_1999]

X893150: When you consider the crime rate in America, along with everything else (lack of ethics, day-to-day decadence), the conclusion that religion is the problem---or at least not the solution to anything---is inescapable, since he majority of Americans claim religious (mostly Christian) affiliation or belief.

The Bible is full of hatred, murder, rape, and every sort of disgusting activity. And those who try to separate the Old Testament from the New don't have any grasp whatever of what Christianity is. Without the Old Testament, the New Testament is meaningless. If people want to claim that God exists, that the Bible is factual/inerrant, and that any of this 2000 year-old Middleeastern nonsense matters, then they don't get to be selective. Most people don't know any more about the Bible than they do about astrophysics. All they know anything about is Jesus, and they don't know much about that.

Muslims, the newest villains (since Commies are no longer a big enough issue for politicians to use to frighten us into submission), are just as bad as Christians (but no worse), but I'll give them credit for one thing: at least they aren't the hypocrites that Christians are. They may be hateful, ignorant and violent, but at least they don't make any secret of it.

[john-in-ct]

Let's be clear. Nowhere in the Gospel does Jesus ever state that homosexuality is a sin. Not once is it mentioned by Jesus.

What is a sin is that people who seem to have never read the Bible, not only make that statement, but that a Christian church apparently doesn't know the unconditional love of Jesus, and will not allow a man who served his country and would have given his life for his country (including those who condemn him).

Sorry, in my eyes that is not a Christian church. Reread the Gospel. Listen to Jesus.

[randalds]

Randaids: you're church and bible bashing are indicitive of unfounded bitterness and hatred.try and find an organization that contributes more time and money to the needy Sure no church is pure ,but most overall, strive to be a guiding beacon and help to others,but must of course draw the line with abuses

Posted by jankebenz at 04:14 PM : Aug 11, 2007

It's RandalDS, nor randaids, which is an backhanded insult. Also, say what you like, but this is not a Christian church as it does not follow the teachings of Christ's love, only what people like you see as his intolerances. Christ did not "draw the line" and neither should any church that dares use his name.

[john-in-ct]

Let's be clear. Nowhere in the Gospel does Jesus ever state that homosexuality is a sin. Not once is it mentioned by Jesus.

What is a sin is that people who seem to have never read the Bible, not only make that statement, but that a Christian church apparently doesn't know the unconditional love of Jesus, and will not allow a man who served his country and would have given his life for his country (including those who condemn him).

Sorry, in my eyes that is not a Christian church. Reread the Gospel. Listen to Jesus.

[randalds]

Posted by John-in-CT at 03:43 PM : Aug 11, 2007

I agree with you, but please stop posting over and over. It's considered bad manners in here.

[x893150]

The leaders of this church may call themselves christians, but they aren't nice people. I don't sense any compassion. I coming to believe that religion is the problem, not the solution.

[john-in-ct]

Let's be clear. Nowhere in the Gospel does Jesus ever state that homosexuality is a sin. Not once is it mentioned by Jesus.

What is a sin is that people who seem to have never read the Bible, not only make that statement, but that a Christian church apparently doesn't know the unconditional love of Jesus, and will not allow a man who served his country and would have given his life for his country (including those who condemn him).

Sorry, in my eyes that is not a Christian church. Reread the Gospel. Listen to Jesus.

[john-in-ct]

Let's be clear. Nowhere in the Gospel does Jesus ever state that homosexuality is a sin. Not once is it mentioned by Jesus.

What is a sin is that people who seem to have never read the Bible, not only make that statement, but that a Christian church apparently doesn't know the unconditional love of Jesus, and will not allow a man who served his country and would have given his life for his country (including those who condemn him).

Sorry, in my eyes that is not a Christian church. Reread the Gospel. Listen to Jesus.

[john-in-ct]

Let's be clear. Nowhere in the Gospel does Jesus ever state that homosexuality is a sin. Not once is it mentioned by Jesus.

What is a sin is that people who seem to have never read the Bible, not only make that statement, but that a Christian church apparently doesn't know the unconditional love of Jesus, and will not allow a man who served his country and would have given his life for his country (including those who condemn him).

Sorry, in my eyes that is not a Christian church. Reread the Gospel. Listen to Jesus.

[john-in-ct]

Let's be clear. Nowhere in the Gospel does Jesus ever state that homosexuality is a sin. Not once is it mentioned by Jesus.

What is a sin is that people who seem to have never read the Bible, not only make that statement, but that a Christian church apparently doesn't know the unconditional love of Jesus, and will not allow a man who served his country and would have given his life for his country (including those who condemn him).

Sorry, in my eyes that is not a Christian church. Reread the Gospel. Listen to Jesus.