Comments on: Mine Crews Struggle To Drill Relief Holes

Rescue of Six Men Trapped In Utah Mine Is Still Days Away

[missingamerica]

You take what Murray has said is the cause of the collapse and compare that with what other sources indicate are the facts, throw in this rescue "setback", and you have to include your conclusion when you consider one final and all too possibly fatal question:

Do Murray and his hirelings view these trapped miners as humans in immediate need of rescue, or as potential hostile witnesses whose lives are best waited out?

[nothappyatall]

"Once the device is in place, crews will set off dynamite, a sign to miners to tap the ceiling with hammers. "

Gee, with all the modern technology we have, blowing off dynamite and tapping on the ceiling is like right out of the 19th century before electric and telegraph. To say nothing of the dynamite maybe disturbing already unstable ground.

Even a dam telegraph key would be better than this idiocy.

[nothappyatall]

"This was caused by an earthquake, not something that Murray Energy... did, or our employees did, or our management did," he said, his voice often rising in anger. "It was a natural disaster. An earthquake. And I'm going to prove it to you."

If so, then how come there hasn't been any reports of the usual AFTERSHOCKS, aftershocks accompany earthuakes and continue for some time afterwards.
A mine collapse would create a seismic event on the graphs and then they would stay at normal background readings, as they HAVE BEEN.

"This year, the mine received 32 citations, a dozen of them serious, including one last month for not having the required emergency escape routes. "

Of course not, because it costs a LOT more money to do that work to correct the violations,than simply pay those small fines, one was $90 what a joke. Let's see, shall I spend $20,000 in labor costs and delays to correct this violation, or just dont bother and pay the $90 fine?


"Proof POSITIVE that our troops are NOTHING MORE then cannon fodder.
Posted by JohnShaft4 "

Well DUH, what did you think? they are the bush regime's azzwipes, he used them like dumb sheeple after they fell for his lies and signed up to 'protect the country' LOL

[motherjones-2009]

The families of the trapped miners are being kept out of public view. I read that they don't speak English. We now have an underclass of poor, abused, and exploited immigrants in our society. It's slavery for the corporations.

There wasn't ONE rethug at the AFL-CIO debate tonight. That's because rethugs have ONLY distain for people who have to work for a living.

[j-whitman]

Did you hear the owner say Clinton loosened mine safety requirements ????? That was Bush, & he did it more than once.

[bareemperor]

The owner is protesting loudly -
Too loudly...
Someone sent those workers down there to do whatever they were ordered to do.
It wasn't an earthquake.
The movement that followed wasn't earthquakes.
The owner is pretending he knows more than seismologists.
He is covering his a$$ for insurance purposes.
What a creep.

[johnshaft4]

26 US troops were killed in Iraq just this past week. 6 miners (however tragic) trapped in a collapsed mine dominate media attention and the national psyche. Proof POSITIVE that our troops are NOTHING MORE then cannon fodder.

[usayesterday]

WWW.ZEITGEISTMOVIE.COM


See Religion and Money, hand in hand, at work in our society.


(fast forward through the first 9 minutes, as it's just visual fluff).

[usayesterday]

So, in other words ... it's like everything else. It comes down to money being the most important thing. Or, the corporate motto ..."Enough is never enough."
Posted by thisandthat1 at 07:48 PM : Aug 07, 2007
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That is 110% FACT!

That is 'Free Market' economics at work.

Enjoy!

[thisandthat1]

So, in other words ... it's like everything else. It comes down to money being the most important thing. Or, the corporate motto ..."Enough is never enough."

[usayesterday]

Why bother to issue 325 safety violations since 2004 if that's standard practice and not unusual? The government has ordered the owners to pay $152,000 in penalties for those 325 violations. Does that make sense to anyone? Why not .... "Here's your third citation, you're shut down. Call us when they're fixed."
Posted by thisandthat1 at 06:38 PM : Aug 07, 2007
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That's an excellent observation.

Sadly, in business school, there is a practice that is taught called "Decision Science" or something similar. It is a practice that businesses (in our "free market" system) that determines the costs of the various decisions that are made. "Decision Science" focuses more on the gain or loss of profit based on a particular decision made, not the social or ethical aspect.

With that being said, the mining companies compare the costs of fixing the safety flaws in their mines versus the cost of the fines levied against the company if the safety flaws are not fixed. It has been clearly demonstrated, in many industries, that the fines and penalties that the government hands down are far less costly than actually addressing the main safety problems in the first place.

The corporations realize that the potential loss of profits caused by investing in safer working environments is too great of a loss in the minds of the executives.... who have been taught in their respective business schooling, that the money is more important than the lives of their workers and/or customers.

[thisandthat1]

Why bother to issue 325 safety violations since 2004 if that's standard practice and not unusual? The government has ordered the owners to pay $152,000 in penalties for those 325 violations. Does that make sense to anyone? Why not .... "Here's your third citation, you're shut down. Call us when they're fixed."

[nolalou]

leftwingnut,

You lived up to the 'nut' part of your nickname! I don't care what religion or what the politics of those trapped miners is, nobody should wish them dead! What a cruel and stupid thing to say!

I hope they are able to break through soon, but to be honest, If it takes another 3 days, I'm not too hopeful about their fate.

[usayesterday]

The CEO of this mining company may scream and yell that the accident was caused by an earthquake, but clearly he has much to lose if the accident is determined to be caused by negligence on the part of his company.

Seismologists around the country say that the tremors registered on the Richtor scales do not have the patterns or indications of a natural earthquake. The indications of the tremors are that of actions that come from a mine, and not a fault line.

Clearly, the CEO has everything to gain by blaming nature. But he has everthing to lose if the cause of this collapse is determined otherwise.

If the cause of the collapse is man-made, then hopefully those responsible will be severely punished.

It is a shame that hard working people have to put their lives at a greater than needed risk all because of the greed from a select few.

[jamiec801]

Huntington Utah is a mining community there is nothing else to do there. If there wasn't coal you would freeze your butts off in the winter. I have family there and my husband was raised there. But he decided to move to Salt Lake for the reasons being he didn't want to work in the mines. We have family that do and it is every day that we think of their lives being put on the line to keep us warm. I do not agree with with Mr. Murray's way of running is business but he has been there trying to find every possible way to get those 6 men out of there. God bless the miners and their families and god bless those putting themselves in harms way to save them.

[obiwan234]

What a bunch of cold hartless a$$ holes. Yes they may be Mexican and illegals, but they are human beings too. Lets get them out safely, then deal with the mine owner for hiring them in the first place.

Nice attitudes boys and girls, very warm and fuzzy. They are here and they need prayers now, not condemnation.

[thgdriver]

325 safety violations is not unusual, "It's not perfect but it's certainly not bad."

I don't work in a mine but if we had that many violations where I do work we would be shut down long ago.

If you are one of the 6 still underground "one" is obviously too many.

[tireslinger]

To those who have perpetuated the ugliness in this world, with your nasty, cruel comments: I hope to %$#@ that you never lose someone you care about, to an accident OR have to wait around for days, not knowing if your loved one is even alive, such as the families of the miners are doing at this moment.

[hawksprings]

oakishpines, it's time for your meds again.
Maybe this time we should up the dosage...

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[nolalou]

I hope for the best, but I heard this morning that they probably won't get through to where the miners are trapped until Wednesday or Thursday!


oakishpines, enough of your c-r-a-p! Get a life, preferably somewhere other than on this web site!