Comments on: Exorcism Ends In Deadly Stun-Gun Struggle

Phoenix Man Accused Of Choking 3-Year-Old Granddaughter Dies After Fight With Police

[randalds]

I can't wait to hear the nutjobs claiming that the grandfather died because the possessed child killed him with her mental/spirtual powers. (Er, would that be in self-defense?) Too bad Jerry Falwell isn't still around - he would have been good for such a quote!

Posted by r_bayless at 02:07 PM : Jul 30, 2007

Or that he successfully "exorcised" the demon out of the child and into himself, which is why he was trying to kill her.......or some such other religious bullsh*it.....it all reads like a bad movie script....

[susanhelit]

willylou - no - it does no harm to me nor anyone else that you believe - so long as you don't push that on others. That's what America was founded for - so everyone could believe as they liked, and coexist.

It doesn't make me believe, of course - but then that's my choice and does no harm to you. To me - I've seen plenty of cases where the doctors prepare the family for the last night - just in case, because if it was, and they didn't tell the family that it could be, that'd be horrible. Your mother getting sick - she's been by you, in a hospital, no doubt not getting enough sleep, enough food, and tons of stress weakening her immune system - her getting sick isn't a surprise either. Your fever breaking - that's kinda how it happens - your body finally turns the corner on fighting the disease, figures out how to kill it, and does so.


But I think the thing is that prayer comes up when people try to say this was all God - and if you say that God decided to save her, then he also decided to not save her earlier, before she'd been hurt so many times. You can't have it both ways.

[iceman_1960]

I think I can explain this whole thing (with apologies to "toldyouso21")

God knew before the creation of the world that this tragic incident would occur.

So he whispered into some wise inventor's ear, the idea of the "stun gun."

And it was ready just in time.

For the Lord helps those who work in mysterious ways.

[bananaamy]

I cant help but notice there is no church, father, or priest named in the news report....

[willylou11]

I understand and appreciate your points Iceman. While i respect your opinion, however, that does not mean I agree with you in any way shape or form. I believe in what happened to me and I believe in God. I'm not asking you to admit you are wrong, but merely explaining one of my own experiences as to why I believe. Does that harm anyone, not that I can think of. Will it keep non-believers up at night because I believe, I should hope not. We are all entitled to our own views and opinions, I'm not asking anyone to agree with me, Do I think the world would be better if everyone believed in God, yes, but that is my opinion and I am entitled to it, just as you are entitled to your opinion and beliefs. So say what you will, cause I'm to busy preparing myself to walk the streets of gold beside the Lord Jesus Christ.

[randalds]

There is no God and no devil,
No demons or angles.
You have been suckered and indocturnated if you believe in that fantasy.

Posted by adventurepa at 01:49 PM : Jul 30, 2007

Amen.

[susanhelit]

To those who want to say God saved this little girl, answered her prayers - if he did that, could do that - why wait for so long, why wait until she's nearly dead, and has been abused for quite some time, time that she'll have to remember, time that will hurt or destroy the rest of her life? No - if God rescued her, he waited way, way, way too long. You can't have the good, without the bad - if God rescues her, he also knew about it all along, and let it happen.

Her prayers were ignored, until a neighbor finally called the police. If there's a god, he's not answering prayers, he's very hands off.

[iceman_1960]

The Bible teaches that "God" is the one who created pneumonia in the first place.

[Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

John 1:3 "Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made."]

So to be grateful to someone for saving you from the dangers he sent your way, is to fall for a very old scam.

In modern prisons, predators use this scam when they "protect" new inmates from other convicts, after first hiring those convicts to frighten the "new fish."

[susanhelit]

Something is very wrong with that family - the grandfather, and the naked mother - there's something weird going on there. Like most nutjobs, they call it religion. I wonder if it's the grandfather being a perv who damaged the young mother when she was his daughter, or if it's just a family history of mental illness.

But - while I'm very much not religious - while they called it an exorcism, that doesn't mean this is really about religion, any more than when a gang member dies being beat into the gang, it's really about brotherly bonding.

[adventurepa]

Posted by WiccanTexan
"How horrific, that the timely intervention of professionals saving this girl's life is interpreted as "God answered her prayers.""

Religious wacko's. "UP to no Good!"

There is no God and no devil,
No demons or angles.
You have been suckered and indocturnated if you believe in that fantasy.
Check out evilbible.com

[iceman_1960]

In medical illnesses, prayer only seems to "work" for self limiting illnesses, those where spontaneously remission may occur in any event.

Prayer has never helped an amputee to grow a new leg.

[ubikvalis2]

"If you believe in evolution why has your science not come up with away to save everyone"

What does that even mean? I remember I had a neighbor who would give me sermons while I was watering my garden (he was a born again Christian) ... He would talk about how, in his past, he was into drugs and alcohol and then he "was saved" and no longer does drugs and alcohol ... But I wanted to tell him "I don't drink and I don't do drugs, and, unlike you, I don't smoke like a chimney. Doesn't that mean I'm more 'saved' than you?" -- But I was too polite to of course.

[ubikvalis2]

The good news is that this crazy fruitcake won't be strangling any more little girls.

[randalds]

Praise the Lord and pass the bullsh*it! Another near murder due to religious lunacy.

[willylou11]

Some of us believe in God and miracles for a reason. My own personal experience, when i was 5 years old, I was in the hosptial with pneumonia. As a child I was regularly in every winter witht this illness. The doctors had tried everything they could think of, but my condition only worsened. They had basically sat my mother down and gave her the "He may make it through the night, but the chances aren't good speech" and told her to be prepared for the worst. My mother sat next to my bed that night and prayed to GOD to heal me through her, to take my sickness away and give to her instead. The very next morning, my fever had broke, and my condition made a 100% turnaround. My mother became ill that very morning, and not a single one of you scientifically profound doctors could explain how it happened. I believe miracles, because without one 22 years ago, I would not be here to type this post.

[adkinskd]

A " very bizarre, very unusual and pretty horrific situation." But in this age of religious terrorism, are the events really so unusual? The deliberate creation and exploitation of horror or fear through illegal violence or threats of illegal violence to force somebody to do something against his or her own will for religious or political purposes is at least one definition of terrorism. To attract attention and generate publicity, terrorists will perpetrate dramatic and astonishing acts of violence to distress and otherwise influence not only their immediate audience, which includes their victims, but any other people who may be affected by the events through the media or other sources Terrorists will often use their own deaths to achieve their goal of disseminating information.
This particular exhibition and its 'high visibility' has garnered significant public attention. It's easy to understand why. The details of the events are as sensational and lurid as a suicide bombing and the epitome of fanaticism. In the absence of proof to confirm or contradict his claims, a presumptuous 49 year old grandfather declares a 3 year old child possessed by 'demons', and then himself seizes her, puts her in a headlock, squeezes her, chokes her, and otherwise exploits and takes advantage of her for the sake of his religion, putting her life at risk and ending his own in the process. And we who are privvy to the performance are shocked and awed by the spectacle.
Sound familiar?

[passerby2]

the grandfather must of been absent when they were going over exorcism techinques at the church. He's suppose to tie her to the bed not put her in a headlock. The headlock is only supposed to be used when her head starts to spin around 360 degrees.

[pt133]

This three year old has not reached the age of accountability according to the Bible. The demonic person in this situation is the grandfather. What a pity!! May God have mercy on his soul. Jesus said "Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of God" Matt. 19-14

[swwils]

I am glad that the Police arrived because that child would have been dead,and probably never found for yrs.

[iceman_1960]

Francis Crick and James Dewey Watson,
co-discoverers of the structure of the DNA molecule, did more to help their fellow men and women than all the mythologizing religious figures put together.

Crick and Watson were humanists and atheists.