Comments on: Marine: Violence Ordered Against Iraqis

Corporal Testifies Marines Routinely Beat Iraqis After Officers Demanded They "Crank Up" Violence

[tbweb]

Posted by RandalDS at 04:24 PM : Jul 16, 2007,,,

RandalDS, stop lying, just quit! I never told you that, I think the last time we exchanged we were debating illegal immigration remember? But at least I know you flew in Cargo Planes now, a fly boy eh?

[randalds]

I'll stake my DD214 and my stripes that he never served a day in the service.

Posted by RandalDS at 01:53 PM : Jul 16, 2007,,,

How about this? I prove I was a 'Nam Marine Vet and you commit suicide on web video? Deal? If you are that convinced go for it!!


Posted by tbweb at 04:13 PM : Jul 16, 2007

I have a better idea. Why don't you tell us all who you really are and why you're posting as tbweb? I know you're not tbweb, because he actually made sense SOMETIMES and stated that he was not a veteran because he was too young for Vietnam. So tell us as*shole who are you really? mudrose? didntinhale?

[tbweb]

Posted by nickw46 at 04:09 PM : Jul 16, 2007,,,

He's running looking up MOS, he doesn't even know what an MOS is! LOL I was the battalion radio man and yes I humped my normal gear, the radio and extra batteries, but I was slick, my antenna was always tucked in my strap, you could not tell I was the radio man and I was good! :)

[randalds]

Ok then "Hero", tell me your "MOS", in what combat zone did you get wounded in, what carnage did you see as a "HERO" ????

If you want, ask me "any" question regarding the Marine Corps (1964-1970)and I'll give you the correct answer and then you can throw away you "DD-214", along with your stripes !!!

Posted by nickw46 at 04:09 PM : Jul 16, 2007

Never claimed to be a hero. In the Air Force we didn't have "MOS's". My Air Force Specialty Code was 51150A Base Level Computer Operator. I was not permanently assigned to Vietnam. I went twice in 1974/75 to retrieve and secure certain information in certain locations in the South.

Now for a question for you. How much "honor" was there in what these as*sholes did? How much "honor" did it take for them to pull an unarmed civilian, a man they KNEW was a non-combatant and was NOT the man they were looking for and throw him in the street and murder him? How much "honor" did it take for them to attempt to cover up their crime like the scum that they are. They don't deserve the right to be "honored" by anyone, vet or not. As a Marine you should be the first to condemn the dis-honor they've brought to their uniform and this country.

[tbweb]

I'll stake my DD214 and my stripes that he never served a day in the service.

Posted by RandalDS at 01:53 PM : Jul 16, 2007,,,

How about this? I prove I was a 'Nam Marine Vet and you commit suicide on web video? Deal? If you are that convinced go for it!!

[nickw46]

Of course it was a movie "Randy", the point being, Marines take their job very seriously, for they are willing to give their lives in defense of this Country and have in the past by the thousands.......so the words spoken by Jack Nicholson in the movie, ring true to every Marine that "EARNED" his "EAGLE,GLOBE and ANCHOR".....something you will never know!!!

[nickw46]

"I'll stake my DD214 and my stripes that he never served a day in the service".

Ok then "Hero", tell me your "MOS", in what combat zone did you get wounded in, what carnage did you see as a "HERO" ????

If you want, ask me "any" question regarding the Marine Corps (1964-1970)and I'll give you the correct answer and then you can throw away you "DD-214", along with your stripes !!!

[randalds]

Posted by nickw46 at 03:54 PM : Jul 16, 2007

You do realize, of course, that the Jack Nicholson character you're referring to, quite rightfully, was arrested and probably sent to prison for being a nut, don't you? His "speech" was not in the movie to be inspiring, it was there to display the lunacy of a commander out of control and acting not only unprofessionally, but against the interests of America and democracy.

[nickw46]

In a final statement, "IF" this Country is so *** bad and evil, as many of you "left-wing" cowards say, then please tell me this.......why is it that I never see boatloads of people trying to "sneak into" Vietnam, North Korea, Cuba, Syria, Iran, etc., etc., etc.????

Maybe you can also provide me with the number of people attempting to sneak into "EAST BERLIN" when the Iron Curtain was seperating free Germany and Communist Germany???

DUHHHHHHHHHHH.........

[nickw46]

As a "former" Marine that served proudly in the "Corps" (Vietnam 1965-66), at least I had the courage as well as my Marine buddies, to "try" to bring freedom to those people wanting to escape the communists.

NO STRONGER WORDS WERE EVER SPOKEN.......Even if these words came out of a movie, they still speak the TRUTH !!!!

You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a *** what you think you're entitled to!

[randalds]

RandalDS AT 1:56PM. Definitely muddy. You can tell by the way he gets discombobulated.lol
Posted by drummer94 at 02:15 PM : Jul 16, 2007

LOL! I'll 2nd that. Though I maintain that he and didntinhale are the same person and swingingdick is his religious guilt coming out every once in awhile after molesting his kids late at night. LOL

[drummer94]

RandalDS AT 1:56PM. Definitely muddy. You can tell by the way he gets discombobulated.lol

[prinzowhales]

People tend to think of the war and forget how it broke out and why. We wouldn't have needed to fight the two world wars if we hadn't interferred in the affairs of others. The war against Spain was based on a fraud as big as the one that led to our current Stupid Peoples' War.

We eschewed neutrality and allowed J.P. Morgan to turn our industry to the service of the Allies and the traitorous Anglophiles and their Zionist friends backed our entry...and it was a war encouraged and desired by England and France.

Our financiers and those of England supported the Hitlerites. They supported Hitler and Mussolini when they backed Franco...they supported Italy when it seized Ethiopia--and Italy got its energy from the coal mines of merry old England all the while. They backed Poland's obstinence against the just Germany demands with regard to Danzig--a mandated city where the much vaunted 'self determination' of the Allies did not apply...

...these people stir up wars and they get others to fight them. "Just Say No!"

[randalds]

For someone who claims to be a "marine vet" (and I've never once heard you claim this before), you sure do squeal like a little b|tch.

Posted by mcdazz at 07:08 AM : Jul 16, 2007

Actually it sounds more like a case of someone like mudrose or didntinhale or lars hijacked tbweb's sign on and is now posting like an as*shole just to get himself off. I doubt this in even the original tbweb. My advice is to ignore the lying little bitc*h. I'm going to.

[randalds]

For someone who claims to be a "marine vet" (and I've never once heard you claim this before), you sure do squeal like a little b|tch.

Posted by mcdazz at 07:08 AM : Jul 16, 2007

I've never heard him claim this before either. That plus his obvious lack of knowledge of real professional military training when it comes to rules of engagement leads me to believe he's one of this ones who suddenly remembered that "oh a vet...un huh...yeah..yeah...I'm a vet...that's right...that's the ticket...yeah...a vet...me too" kind of vets. Anyone who served knows that what happened in the above story is blatant unforgivable murder. It had nothing to to with collateral damage or the supposed "fog of war" that some use as a defense. I'll stake my DD214 and my stripes that he never served a day in the service.

[tbweb]

Posted by Nancy_Naive at 01:23 PM : Jul 16, 2007,,,

If it wasn't for the U.S. Military you would be speaking German or Japanese and working in one of their h00ker spots serving the troops if you look like anything or if you look like a fat sloppy hag you would be cleaning toilets, so show some gratitude, that social club you're trashing has a lot of awards, some even given to it by its enemies!

[ivandrago]

Unfortunately you have to be a little off to want to kill anybody as a job. You have to expect that some of them will be morally deficient and want to kill anybody to feed the desire. I still think they are the exception not the rule. Don't get me wrong. Soldiers are important, because some people (legitimate insurgents, terrorist, street thugs, etc.) need killing.

[tbweb]

As far as the military, my argument is with recruitment, if they are aware the soldier[s] they are recruiting is[are] psychologically unstable then there needs to be accountability.

Posted by kailumego1 at 11:07 AM : Jul 16, 2007,,,

In the United States everything is connected, nothing happens without impacting something else. The poor recruitment standards that were recently lowered to accept almost anyone, any age, is due to the fact that there is no Draft which would ensure a cross section of Americans and much needed diversity of skills and knowledge and also due to the fact that quality Americans are not signing up to serve, so the end result is poor recruits. I was watching the news where U.S. Police Departments are so short recruiting classes now include 62 year olds as long as they can pass the physical. The Military also has many non-U.S. Citizens now, illegals!! It's bad and the real solution is for a Draft or Americans to get off their fat lazy azzes and sign up to serve!!

[kailumego1]

I'm not picking on the military only those that are mentally unstable and shouldn't be in the military to begin with, and yes you are correct the American public should direct their outrage towards the Commander and Chief.

However, unfortunately, the powers to be are the Capitalist moguls, and Americans have weaken themselves or capitulated to corrupt political officials and capitalist profiteers.

As far as the military, my argument is with recruitment, if they are aware the soldier[s] they are recruiting is[are] psychologically unstable then there needs to be accountability.

There is absolutely no justification or rationalization for VICIOUSLY MURDERING INNOCENT CIVILIANS.

[prinzowhales]

tbweb--The electorate of the United States supported, in both 2000 and 2004, candidates in favor of war with Iraq. They backed this despite the fact that the war was based on lies.
They continue to back Congressmen who support this evil undertaking...just when will it be time to criticize the U.S.? When it is too late?

The U.S. has continued to support the Israeli control of the occuppied territories for going on 50 years....The U.S. has, through the Clinton and Bush regimes targeted the Iraqi people for sanctions, bombings and missile strike and then outright invasion based on lies and nothing but lies. Its time to pin the tail on this Regime of Jackals in Washington--and those, who with their votes, have made it possible, thorugh their carelessness, stupidity, arrogance and cupidity.