Comments on: 5 Die As Small Plane Hits 2 Houses

While Attempting Emergency Landing Tuesday Morning In Suburban Orlando

[down-ndirty]

S_Temper, transportation rates of death are based on "MILES TRAVELED" not population. LOL!!This is from the SAME Wikipedia you sourced:

"Air travel is the safest form of transportation available. Trains have .04 deaths for every 100 million miles while air travel has .01 deaths for every 100 million miles traveled. However, compared to the automobile, with .94 deaths per 100 million miles, both figures are relatively low."

Let's see... if I can do the difficult math involved...I'm 94 more times likely to die in an automobile than in an airplane.

End of discussion. Anything else you say is just BS. The facts speak for themselves. You drive; I'll fly.

[down-ndirty]

down-ndirty: So Kennedy's WIFE'S FAMILY owned the plane. What's the difference???
Posted by S_Temper at 01:05 AM : Jul 11, 2007
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Actually the plane was owned by International Speedway Corporation (ISC), a publicly owned company. Being chairman, or even president of a corporation doesn't mean that person owns it. So, by your logic, all the ISC stock owners are liable. LOL!!
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And the argument that planes are safer than cars is BS. Pilots hold the second most dangerous occupation in the US: Posted by S_Temper at 01:00 AM : Jul 11, 2007
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That's a weak argument and doesn't explain why more people die in automobile crashes. In fact, autos are the number one killers of teenagers. That wouldn't be true if drivers, especially teenagers, had the driving skills equivalent to the skills of pilots.

You have a bias, S_Temper. The fact that you compare pit bulls to airplanes proves it.

And for you being a libertarian...THATS BS!!

[nyteryder2]

"Also, I believe people should have the right to own a pitbull or any other type of dog, but if the dog gets loose and hurts or kills someone, the owner should be held responsible. ... This was not an accident, because it is very reasonable to expect these small planes to crash" Posted by S_Temper at 12:42 AM : Jul 11, 2007

By your stated reasoning ...

...I get that it's ok to own a dangerous pit bull but not fly a plane.

...I get that it's reasonable to expect an airplane to fall out of the sky but not reasonable for a pit bull to get loose and kill someone.

...I get that it's ok to drive automobiles but not fly airplanes, inspite of the fact that airplanes are far safer than automobiles.

...I get that you say you are a libertarian who vehemently promotes individual rights, unless someone wants to do something you oppose. LOL!!

[dirtydog55]

"dirtydog55, Kennedy OWNED the plane. The owner is just as strictly liable for damages as the pilot." Posted by S_Temper at 12:42 AM : Jul 11, 2007
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S_Temper, you and others need to improve your reading comprehension.

Can you show me the text in the article said that Kennedy owned the plane? Kennedy was NOT the late chairman of NASCAR; his father-in-law was.

Can you show me the text in the article said that Kennedy was flying the plane?

Do you really think, FOR A MINUTE!, that the owner of that plane, or perhaps the dead pilot, whomever he is, will NOT be held liable for the damage and lives the ACCIDENT took. That's what they have INSURANCE for.

Do you really think, FOR A MINUTE!, that because airplanes don't use roads and highways, they get a FREE RIDE!

Get your head out of the sand. Airplanes and pilots are INSURED; car and drivers are INSURED (at least in my state); pit bulls and their owners are NOT insured.

Regardless of whether they're insured or not, they are still subject to being sued for damages.

Take some reading comprehension classes and then read the article again.

[down-ndirty]

"How is it any different when someone is DRIVING a private CAR NEAR my house? The definition of an "accident" is an "unexpected and undesirable event." This was not an accident, because it is very reasonable to expect these CARS to crash; and if they DRIVE NEAR densely populated areas, innocent people on the ground are knowingly placed in harm's way by the DRIVERS. The legal term for liability without fault is "strict liability" and applies when a person engages in (1) abnormally dangerous activities, (2) keeping animals, or (3) selling defective, unreasonably dangerous products. Even if they have not acted intentionally or negligently, people who engage in these activities are strictly liable for damages to others. DRIVING CARS is an abnormally dangerous activity, whether you want to admit it or not, and you should be held strictly liable."

I changed the words around a little. Get the picture?

dirtydog55, Kennedy OWNED the plane. The owner is just as strictly liable for damages as the pilot.
Posted by S_Temper at 12:42 AM : Jul 11, 2007

From the article: "The plane was registered to a Daytona Beach company linked to NASCAR's late chairman."

Jeeeeseus!! Doesn't anyone know how to read? Plus you are a VERY UNREASONABLE person if you think it is reasonable to expect airplane to crash and not expect automobiles to crash.

The fact that you think it's ok to own dangerous and uncontrollable pit bulls proves my point.

[down-ndirty]

"TO SAY MR. TRAVOLTA FITS IN THAT ARROGRANT CATAGORY, IS NOT SO, AND NOT TRUE AND, SOUNDS MORE TO ME LIKE JEALOSY, THAN FACTS !!! MR. JOHN TRAVOLTA HAS SPENT MOST OF HIS MONEY GENERATED FROM ACTING ON PERFECTING HIS FLYING ABILITIES AND, IS CERTIFIED TO FLY SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES OF AIRCRAFT, ... THE COMMENT WAS UNFOUNDED ABOVE !!!!" Posted by JetRanger7 at 11:38 PM : Jul 10, 2007
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The comment was founded on the fact that Travolta needlessly burns up precious fossile fuels to feed his own ego. Is he "above" going to the nearest airport and flying as a passenger? Yes. Does he really need to fly himself around in a Boeing 707 when his Gulfstream is far more efficient? No. He does it to feed his ego.

Mr. Travolta?? Do you work for him? Is that why you defend him?

Besides, unfounded or not, I have a right to my opinion.

OBTW: TYPING IN ALL CAPS ADDS NOTHING TO YOUR COMMENTARY!!!

[jetranger7]

AS FOR THE STATEMENT ABOUT JOHN TRAVOLTA, MENTIONED ABOVE-- MR.TRAVOLTA IS A SERIOUS AVATION BUFF AND PILOT, AND TAKES HIS FLYING SERIOUS AS WELL AS THE MAINTENCE ON HIS AIRCRAFT !AS FAR AS THE EGOS OF SOME OF THESE RICH PEOPLE WHO ARE EITHER DOCTORS OR ACTORS OR MULTI-MILLIONAIRES, MANY OF THEM ARE NOT SERIOUS AVAITION BUFFS WHO ARE RENTLESS ABOUT MAINTENCE, AND OFTEN DO NOT DESIRE TO SPEND THE MONEY ON MAINTENCE AND PROPER UP KEEP, OR CONSTANT ANNUALS, AND ONLY WANT TO FLY THE PLANE. MANY TIMES I'VE SEEN NEGLECT ON THEIR HIGH DOLLAR EXPENSIVE SPORTS CARS AS WELL, JUST IMAGINE THEIR AIRCRAFT !!! SO TO SAY MR. TRAVOLTA FITS IN THAT ARROGRANT CATAGORY, IS NOT SO, AND NOT TRUE AND, SOUNDS MORE TO ME LIKE JEALOSY, THAN FACTS !!! MR. JOHN TRAVOLTA HAS SPENT MOST OF HIS MONEY GENERATED FROM ACTING ON PERFECTING HIS FLYING ABILITIES AND, IS CERTIFIED TO FLY SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES OF AIRCRAFT, INCLUDING THE ONES HE OWNS AND PROFESSIONALLY MAINTAINS !!!! THE COMMENT WAS UNFOUNDED ABOVE !!!! THANK-YOU- JETRANGER 0007

[jw218389]

Hey Airplane Haters,

Keep this in mind - more people died driving on I-95 today than died in this plane crash...

Maybe we should be talking about banning cars and "their egotistical owners?"

It's amazing how many Americans want to destroy their (and other's) freedoms...

[dirtydog55]

"Does anyone know appx how far Sanford is from Orlando?" Posted by aerodog at 01:38 PM : Jul 10, 2007
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About 20 miles from downtown Orlando. Sanford is on Lake Monroe. The Sanford airport used to be Naval Air Station Sanford.

If they approached Sanford airport from the west or northwest they had almost no chance of putting it down in an empty field, or lake. Lake Monroe is about 2 miles north of the airport and Lake Jessup is about 2 miles south.

[mercer_rd]

RE: "My problem is with these small planes and the egotistical owners and passengers who think their time is too valuable to fly on a commercial airline. ... Small, privately owned planes are notorious for deadly crashes ... " Posted by S_Temper at 02:27 PM : Jul 10, 2007"

So is your Ford Tempo

[dirtydog55]

"... then they won't mind giving their fortune to the families of the parents and children Dr. Kennedy incinerated." Posted by S_Temper at 03:26 PM : Jul 10, 2007
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You are, of course, assuming Kennedy was flying the plane, even though the article doesn't say he was. Even though there was a "pilot" on board. In fact, the article doesn't even say that Kennedy was a pilot.

I'm amazed at the assumptions people make. Go back and read the article.

[mdc76082]

"Shame that in this country money sometimes prioritizes the media's sympathy and thus minimizes the true intensity and focal points of a tradgedy."
Amen coffeehead. Talk about hitting a nail on the head, this is right on target. But please let me add this:

"He was a brilliant plastic surgeon and a dentist who performed many facial surgeries on trauma patients and his talents will be sorely missed."
Posted by PSchulman2 at 03:11 PM : Jul 10, 2007

I wonder, and if he should survive, PSchulman2, if the 10yr old boy (w/80-90% burns) who will undoubtedly go through many, many, many surgeries of his own, not to mention psych therapy for his disfigurement that will follow him for a lifetime, will he sorely miss the "normality" of life itself? Will this 10yr old's "talents" be missed as well. You, PSchulman2, are without a doubt, a major "head up your a_ss" work of art.

[down-ndirty]

"My problem is with these small planes and the egotistical owners and passengers who think their time is too valuable to fly on a commercial airline. ... Small, privately owned planes are notorious for deadly crashes ... " Posted by S_Temper at 02:27 PM : Jul 10, 2007
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Are you a fan of John Travolta? He is one of those "egotistical owners" who not only flys a Gulfstream but also a 707, both of which he parks in his "back yard." His 707 burns more fuel in an hour than all of my vehicles use in a year.

As for your statement about small planes being notorious for deadly crashes...you have no clue what you are talking about. All private aircraft are subjected to an annual inspection and all pilots are subjected to a bi-annual flight check.

Your vehicle does not get the inspections that private aircraft get. Nor do you as a driver have to continuously prove you are capable of handling emergency situations.

Sure, situations happen too often in the air. But deadly accidents happen every minute of every day on the highway and neither car nor driver are subjected to the accident prevention activities to which planes and pilots are subjected.

Driving is far less safe than flying. In fact, the major killer of teenagers is automobiles. Think about that next time you let your child/grandchild/niece/nephew drive.

[fake-id-2009]

"In response to the above. The plane was being flown by a commercially rated pilot from NASCAR. Have some compassion...the pilot was identified as France Kennedy's husband....where did you read he was COMMERCIALLY trained? ... The avaiation pilot from NASCAR was IN the plane not piloting it..." Posted by stardust999 at 03:06 PM : Jul 10, 2007
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This is a sad story, no doubt. But you are wrong on all counts. Go back and read the story again...

[coffeehead-2009]

He was a brilliant plastic surgeon and a dentist who performed many facial surgeries on trauma patients and his talents will be sorely missed.

Posted by PSchulman2 at 03:11 PM : Jul 10, 2007


Yes he was~~~~~~~~~~~~ And very fortunate to have wealth and a great plentifully filled life.

And - I'm sure that the dead mother was a BRILLIANT parent who preformed wonderfully for her family and children and will be sorely missed.

The frances have lost a son-in-law...
2 families have lost more members and also possibly a source of mandatory survival income and much hardship financially to come. It is sad all the way around.

Shame that in this country money sometimes prioritizes the media's sympathy and thus minimizes the true intensity and focal points of a tradgedy.

The ramifications of death are awful for ALL.
But those who have to deal with the devastation of loss AND the monetary cost deserve better than just a "passing metion".

[mercer_rd]

RE: "Rather pointless while, for example, people are starting wars that kill millions. What about Iraq? Or Afghanastan? They have bombs, rockets and fires every day. No one should miss them? Little kids who never did anything to anyone? All for your false flag operation and corporate garbage?"
Posted by zootallures2 at 03:31 PM : Jul 10, 2007

Thank you for your informative little tidbit.

There are two or three places which cover the TWOT on this site. This is about a plane crash your rant is completely unrelated....

Well some people need practical advise. There are far too many overly qualified on these postings to dispense it, and I just wanted to beat someone to the punch.

On these postings you will find the regulars have an expert opinion on every topic. Very seldom can we regular posters have an unexpressed thought or opinion. We are compelled to share our expert opinions as well as our expert advice to any and all who open the door.(mainly to our selves) I hope that you have been enlightened and that you will excersice better judgement with the placement of your next posting. Good luck and God Speed, now go make some posts

[asor1-2009]

PSchulman2, you tried!
Some folks would much rather sling mud than offer a bit of compassion.
Suddenly they all know so much about who should fly where and when. Keep the survivors in your heart, they need our good thoughts.

[grammawhamma]

S_Temper...Do you take a bus to get to your destination all the time or do you drive your car? I'm sure there are alot less bus accidents then car accidents. Same thing as your arguement of commercial flight vs small private plane.

[zootallures2]

He was a brilliant plastic surgeon and a dentist who performed many facial surgeries on trauma patients and his talents will be sorely missed.

Posted by PSchulman2 at 03:11 PM : Jul 10, 2007

Rather pointless while, for example, people are starting wars that kill millions. What about Iraq? Or Afghanastan? They have bombs, rockets and fires every day. No one should miss them? Little kids who never did anything to anyone? All for your false flag operation and corporate garbage?

[zootallures2]

As far as the rich playboys wanting to impress people, you are probably jealous that you cant afford a plane, but i bet you have a big fancy boat to tool around on with naked or half naked girls on the bow.
Posted by bosnmate820 at 02:06 PM : Jul 10, 2007

How much would you like to bet? How can you assume what others think when you've barely got the hang of thinking yorself..lol!

S_Temper is 100% correct. No opionion, just the fact! Like 2+2=4. Cars are a question of if they want to make them safe. NASCARs can handle a 200mph crash pretty good. Imagine that safety at 65. But you are too cheap. For the price of a car now, you should have that safety. And the houses should be able to withstand a tornado and transform into a yaht during a flood for what you pay for them.