Comments on: The Breakway Republic Of Vermont?

Small Cadre Of Writers And Academics Plots A Secession Strategy

[toldyouso21]

It would also save FEMA from having to react when the big one causes Cali to sink into the ocean.
Posted by ronin10 at 06:46 AM : Jun 05, 2007


FYI--the actual "big one" is actually the Missouri fault line. If it ever goes, theorectically, it is proposed that everything East of the Mississippi would fall off the Continental shelf and disappear under the ocean.

Then there is also the place in Yellowstone--both are said to be 100 to many more times worse than the San Andreas fault.

Something that bears thinking about when you predict a "big one" taking down part of the country--especially since the Missouri faultline is considered more dangerous since, unlike the smaller one in Nevada and California--it never lets off any energy. It is a pressure cooker waiting to explode.

[toldyouso21]

If it gets any worse or even stays like this, it might be better to split. The right obviously doesn't tolerate anything different, so why not partition our country if it means less hatred and conflict?
Posted by ttinsly at 06:02 AM : Jun 05, 2007


The right or a "reich" do not care if they are liked or hated or even if they are in continual conflict with the rest of America as long as they can control us. For them, it is not about getting along with others, they expect not to--instead for them, it is about forcing others to do what they want them to do--and if they balk, to beat, threaten and if necessary, eliminate anyone or anything that does not go along with their program. It is pretty simple. Justice and morality, honor and integrity don't really enter into it (they just like to pretend it does)--just CONTROL and giving them the best financial advantage. If the rest of America can cede those things--they would get along well with the right in America.

[toldyouso21]

Then, when the quientiscentially American aspect of what they have done is grasped by enough people, other states could follow suit. End result? How about a radical reordering of the priorities and principles of the United States of America, returning it to something more closely resembling what it was intended to be?
Posted by verrz at 01:41 AM : Jun 05, 2007


Wasn't this the state that also voted to impeach Bush? or was that New Hampshire--it seems only the early states either feel so strongly about the Constitution and the degradation of it in the past 7 years---or only these few states have the ballz or citizen mandate to proclaim openly what many others feel should happen.

Who knew when it came time to rebel and hold an evil leader accountable--that most of the Congress would lack the moral conviction or courage to do so? Bush should be in the Hague--if for no other reason, than for what he unleashed in Iraq--no American leader should think such a thing can be done with impunity.

The world is afraid of us--if we don't have the conviction and energy to hold our own leaders accountable--no one else can or will. They need the money, and they know they would not like our shock and awe.

[theusa1st]

Vermont will NOT breakaway. Vermont was once a very conservative state with hard working people
with traditional values. It is now run by liberals and socialist that are taxing the H_E_L_L out of its citizens to the breaking point. Now it is about all the handouts and over taxing businesses. Well, the businesses are moving out and I can't blame them. The state legislature, controlled by liberal democrats, has once again not listened to the will of the people. Ordinary citizens are finally waking up to the fact that we are getting screwed. There may well be a revolution, but it won't be about breaking away from the U.S.A., it will be about getting rid of the lefties, socialists, and special interest groups destroying or citizen government. I am a life long Vermonter and plan to stay that way...the lefties that moved here and are trying to shove their socialist agenda's down our throats will be the ones leaving....one way or another.

[mcvet]

The truth is that the world wide hatred for the Present US Government is growing at a rate that is breath taking. Add to that the FACT that the REAL power of this nation has been shipped to Third World Countries for pure Greed and these folks may well be on to something. I certainly do NOT want to be associated with people like Pat Robertson or any of these Southern Nazi's while we are killing people of a rival religion. That's the kind of thing that causes wars to last 2000 years! Sieg Heil and Good Luck America

[gunnerv1]

Belive me Randy, we red states don't want you either (land of fruits and nuts).

[tumbleweedin]

It would be a whole lot easier to get ahold of the handle and FLUSH that bug toilet in Washington DC that looks to be a bit plugged up at this time. RONPAUL2008.com Start at the top, and then jiggle the handle a few times.

[randalds]

I ended up living near Louisville KY for a year and a half.

The culture shock was incredible.

In short, after having been assaulted by the culture shock, I decided to get out, and moved to Michigan.

Posted by cozzicon at 12:58 AM : Jun 05, 2007

I can relate to that. I grew up in a small town in Michigan, but left because I didn't think it was progressive enough. I found myself in Los Angeles after a journey through Arizona (a fantastic state in many ways). Then I took a job in, of all places, a tiny town in Oklahoma! OMG! Talk about REDNECK! This place still had active Klan members! The racism, sexism and phony hypocritical religion was incredible! I ran back home to Los Angeles, the land of a hundred different languages and food other then only burgers and steaks!

[randalds]

http://www.independentcalifornia.com/

Free the Bear!

[randalds]

I think it's a wonderful idea for us out here in California and apparently I'm not alone (http://www.californiasecession.org/), if for no other reason then we'd finally be done with the dead weight of the Red states. Let them shrink back into the dark ages with their religious based garbage in their schools and government and let us join the rest of the modern intelligent world.

Free the Bear!

[jm_rvel]

Good luck to the Intellectual Vermonter successors.

[verrz]

Although a little hard to take seriously, this is an interesting idea. Vermonters it seems are more American than America itself. This is an early America mindset and one reason why the right to bear arms was enshrined in the Constitution. For in the event that your government becomes corrupt and tyrannical, a free people have the right to insurrection. But this is not the point here. No one is arguing for another American Revolution. It is however the principle here that bears a closer look.
Just think, if by some stretch Vermont actually did vote for secession, other states would be forced to sit up and take notice. Then, when the quientiscentially American aspect of what they have done is grasped by enough people, other states could follow suit. End result? How about a radical reordering of the priorities and principles of the United States of America, returning it to something more closely resembling what it was intended to be?

[xzavierbrown]

last thing we need is another bunch of illegal aliens from Vermont trying to sneak in to make a buck because thier own govt is incompetent and can barely feed its citizens

[cozzicon]

"Most Americans do not occupy and live in certain areas based on ideology or mindsets--we go where our corporate bosses tell us we have to be. In short--where the jobs are. What could happen, is that a lot of businesses might move one way or another--because those with the intellectual know how exist in one political/social camp or another."-- toldyouso21

I'm not sure this isn't increasing. I was a Chicagoan for 38 years. If you know the Chicago of the last two decades, it is a highly integrated and tolerant city (Unless you paint a picture of the mayor in women's undergarments- in which case the police raid the Art Institute- but I digress)

I ended up living near Louisville KY for a year and a half.

The culture shock was incredible.

In short, after having been assaulted by the culture shock, I decided to get out, and moved to Michigan.

Michigan is like Chicago with less traffic.

By the time I was convinced I needed to leave.... I actually started looking at "Blue States" and deciding where I wanted to go.

Not so uncommon I think. When I got to Michigan I was sitting in this Starbucks, and I struck up a conversation with this black guy. We got along wonderfully, traded numbers, and hugged at the end of our conversation.

I was home. Things were back to normal. I'm a blue stater.

[toldyouso21]

Posted by jdweymouth at 11:09 PM : Jun 04, 2007


Funny how you propose such ugly actions if any state wants to leave America, yet when Russia wants to react the same way to their former countries or China wants to reign in and force Taiwan--we scream "evil empire" Take a good long look, it is not our actions or even our mindset that is so different here--just how we decide we want to see our own distorted image.

Vermont probably cannot survive on its own and would within a few years BEG to come back and would serve as an example to other states--if, on the other hand; we push the issue with threats and ugliness--then long before Vermont makes our point for us--we make another--which could cause many more to want to leave. Nobody likes a bully and to have to be united by force is called RAPE---people really hate that too.

[toldyouso21]

Personally, I don't think Vermont could survive without help, and if this by some miracle happened, and the US doesn't immediately graft it back into the Union, then I say we should strangle it. Canada isn't much of a problem considering they jump when we bark. Posted by jdweymouth at 11:09 PM : Jun 04, 2007


Hmmmm. sort of the "If they don't love you back, hunt them down and kill them" mentality? Why, exactly would you want an entire state that did not want you? Where exactly does this "If I can't have you , then nobody can have you" mentality come from?

Vermont is a state and part of a Union. But it is comprised of people that make up that Union. If a union must be held together by either threats, force or intimidation, then we do not have a union anyway--we have a long and prolonged forced marriage.

No doubt this is a symbolic gesture and no doubt if they ever succeeded--other states might symbolically make the same gesture. It does speak to how much the GOP has divided and destroyed even the desire among citizens to stay together as a country. It is like being married to a very abusive spouse--one just wants to get away and start over--the other (the abusive one) wants to force the spouse to stay and threatens to harm them if they do not comply. That is not a union or marriage--that is an enforced hell. Take a good long look in the mirror America.

[toldyouso21]

Posted by ToolMangler at 07:11 PM : Jun 04, 2007

You have to be careful, that age and caution do not make you take a stand out of a personal sense of self preservation and wanting things to remain the same. If you feel this is truly the answer--then why did America not stay with England? THAT was our country. Why did we not stay and fix it instead of seceding and forcing change? Unions are marriages, nothing more, nothing less. Held together by consensus and common purpose--and hopefully a good set of vows and conviction. But marriages can only take so much. Here we have a political party (GOP) that does not respond to subpoenas, that lies and loses illegal emails, that is trying to institute a one party state, that is commandeering the lawful right of states to have militias--for the needs of one man, that is involved in an illegal war and will not stop, that is heading down the road of draining the coffers on war and hamstrings its own citizens by forcing them to accept the burden of 12 million illegal immigrants when there are legal ones still waiting to get in, that further hamstrings us economically with outsourcing and insourcing--that sees policies in terms of short term and personal gain, that now approves of torture and is a pariah in many parts of the civilized world, that has one party determined to undermine or stay in power (whether they are elected or not), so what do we have? Good luck Vermont.

[lordradish]

As one of the bloggers who was really pushing the SVR- racist ties I'm astounded that the MSM never seems to do its homework. Because of the way SVR and Naylor reacted (even trying to get one of the bloggers fired), they have very little support from the left in VT now. THe mainstream VT'ers either don't know about them or view them as a novelty. Naylor ranted like a lunatic with typical conspiracy *** (we're trying to bring them down because we fear them - yeah, right). Nobody takes them seriously and they always overstate thier popularity and importance. If for some crazy reason you'd like to follow the whole fiasco, go here, go back to the first post and read up to the end:
http://fivebeforechaos.com/category/second-vermont-republic/

[lordradish]

As one of the bloggers who was really pushing the SVR- racist ties I'm astounded that the MSM never seems to do its homework. Because of the way SVR and Naylor reacted (even trying to get one of the bloggers fired), they have very little support from the left in VT now. THe mainstream VT'ers either don't know about them or view them as a novelty. Naylor ranted like a lunatic with typical conspiracy *** (we're trying to bring them down because we fear them - yeah, right). Nobody takes them seriously and they always overstate thier popularity and importance. If for some crazy reason you'd like to follow the whole fiasco, go here, go back to the first post and read up to the end:
http://fivebeforechaos.com/category/second-vermont-republic/

[lordradish]

As one of the bloggers who was really pushing the SVR- racist ties I'm astounded that the MSM never seems to do its homework. Because of the way SVR and Naylor reacted (even trying to get one of the bloggers fired), they have very little support from the left in VT now. THe mainstream VT'ers either don't know about them or view them as a novelty. Naylor ranted like a lunatic with typical conspiracy *** (we're trying to bring them down because we fear them - yeah, right). Nobody takes them seriously and they always overstate thier popularity and importance. If for some crazy reason you'd like to follow the whole fiasco, go here, go back to the first post and read up to the end:
http://fivebeforechaos.com/category/second-vermont-republic/