Comments on: Mother Hangs Self And 4 Daughters

8-Month-Old Is Lone Survivor Of Apparent Murder-Suicide In Texas

[phoenix1218]

...It also takes two to raise them (((IT DOES NOT ALWAYS TAKE TWO TO RAISE A CHILD WELL))). Until we KNOW...HOW she ended up alone (((SHE COULD HAVE LEFT HIM FOR ANOTHER MAN OR HE COULD HAVE LEFT HER BECAUSE SHE WAS CHEATING ON HIM, WE JUST DON'T KNOW))), working for a wage that barely pays rent (((DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT LOW WAGES, GO TO SCHOOL AND GET AN EDUCATION IN ORDER TO GET A BETTER JOB)))...It is tragic and heartwrenching to know that these three beautiful and innocent children are gone (((I THINK EVERYONE AGREES WITH THAT)))...COULD she have been abused? sure. (((IF SHE WAS ABUSED SHE COULD HAVE LEFT, THERE ARE PLACES TO HELP ABUSED WOMAN))) COULD she have had post partum (((YES AND SHE COULD HAVE GOTTEN HELP OR TALKED WITH HER PRIEST)))...Until you truly FEEL this kind of love or desperation - you will NEVER know what truly happened here (((IT DOESN'T MATTER IF SOMEONE HAS FELT THAT LOW IN THEIR LIFE OR NOT, MOST PEOPLE KNOW WHERE TO GO TO GET THE HELP AND THIS WOMAN CHOSE TO KILL HER KIDS INSTEAD))) - but no matter HOW the truth unfolds - maybe the first step is to look inward and see how we can help from here on out instead of sitting back and shaking our heads.
Posted by deesown1

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[phoenix1218]

For some reason, this woman felt that life was not worth living.She was a poor uneducated Mexican American single mother who lived in a trailer with her 4 babies by the time she was 25. What to look forward to for herself or those babies? Certainly not becoming popular college students. She wanted to end this because it was a worthless life and she would rather see her daughters dead than watch them grow up to realize what America had in store for them.
Posted by starshimmers

She COULD have handed her babies over to their godmother or grandmother or someone instead of doing what she did. She could have simply run off without the chidlren and she could become 'popular'. She did not have to do what she did. It is not for me to judge so I will not say what I wish for this female. I just hope GOD forgives her. I hoep her daughters didn't know their own mother killed them.

[wiccantexan]

Throw the mother in the trash and give the young girls a funeral fit for a queen. I grew up poor and have suffered severe depression and have never laid a finger on my children or wife. Stop making excuses for people.
Posted by theUSA1st at 05:48 PM : May 29, 2007

So, as a man, you understand post-partum depression completely. You've been through it and made it without incident. Yeah you. I'm impressed at your biological achievement.

Just because you've suffered poverty and depression doesn't mean someone else has the resources or emotional support to develop coping skills. Get over yourself.

[phoenix1218]

Common sense tells me that had she been offered the option of an abortion during the early stages of any of those pregnancies, this may never have occurred. (((OH, SO KILL THEM BEFORE THEY ARE BORN, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE?)))...So many "professionals" won't even dispense them, because of their personal "Evangelical" beliefs that contraception any even abortions at the earliest of stages, somehow constitutes murder. I can't imagine what they would call this. So, society needs to take a bit of responsibility here as well (((WHAT ABOUT PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY? HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN ABOUT THAT? AFTER ALL SHE IS THE ONE THAT DID THIS, NO ONE ELSE DID. YOU CAN'T SAY SHE DIDN'T KNOW))).... Posted by cyrena1987

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[wiccantexan]

I wonder if this woman was a Christian.
Posted by shanev137 at 07:31 PM : May 29, 2007

How would that matter?

Something is wrong VERY wrong with this State. They seem to be hung up on Killing... They Kill more people in this state than any other and it just seems to be something with the people. Strange but true.
Posted by MCVet at 06:59 PM : May 29, 2007

So, Texas%u2019s stand on capital punishment is responsible for this woman%u2019s actions? I fail to see your point.

[wiccantexan]

What's going on with these people in Texas? I know this sort of thing happens everywhere, but it seems like most of these kind of cases come from that backward state. I've heard in Texas they tend to treat women like merely vessles to produce babies, so maybe that's what drives these women over the edge. One can only guess.
Posted by misands at 05:37 PM : May 29, 2007

As a native Texan, I can say for a fact that your supposition is way off base. There are plenty of other places that have tragedies like this occur. I am surrounded by well-educated women, many of them who started out as single mothers. Get out of the stereotype.

[phoenix1218]

someone answer: it seems to me that things like this never used to happen, in the OLD DAYS, not so long ago even say the 60's and 70's these things just did not happen.. is it that it really did not happen.. or is it that it did happen but that the media did not play it up like they do now??? Posted by lorestrick at 08:49 PM : May 29, 2007

IN THE OLD DAYS THESE THIGNS WERE HIDDEN BY HAVING THE DEATH CLASSIFIED AS SUDDEN INFANT DEATH SYNDROME, OR ACCIDENTAL DROWNING, OR SOME SUCH THINGS LIKE THAT.

[wiccantexan]

Where did you read that she had an estranged husband? That wasn't in the story I just read. Why has it got to be the man's fault?
Posted by DDColding at 07:00 PM : May 29, 2007

Read the story again. They've been separated for a while, and she had a restraining order out on him. And it doesn't HAVE to be the man's fault; it was one of the two possibilities I posed.

[wiccantexan]

someone answer: it seems to me that things like this never used to happen, in the OLD DAYS, not so long ago even say the 60's and 70's these things just did not happen.. is it that it really did not happen.. or is it that it did happen but that the media did not play it up like they do now???
Posted by lorestrick at 08:49 PM : May 29, 2007

In the "old days" we didn't have global, instant communication. Most family tragedies were never spoken of, or in hushed tones - almost never spread outside the immediate area.

How many women are now saying they had abortions, gave up children for adoption etc, and no one ever knew except immediate family? It wasn't discussed publicly. Now, we have instant access to stories like this.

Four kids by the age of 25 is not necessarily a result of a "Catholic" faith that does not believe in contraception. I'd be more inclined to believe that she simply didn't know about such a thing, and it's highly unlikely that any professional would suggest it to her, in a place like Hudson Oaks, TX, where even the so-called health professionals allow their own dogmatic evangelistic fundamentalism to interfere with their professional care. Having had the misfortune of living in that area for nearly 2 decades, I can testify to how difficult it is to find contraceptive services, and especially for poor people. Common sense tells me that had she been offered the option of an abortion during the early stages of any of those pregnancies, this may never have occurred. It's the same with prescription contraception. So many "professionals" won't even dispense them, because of their personal "Evangelical" beliefs that contraception any even abortions at the earliest of stages, somehow constitutes murder. I can't imagine what they would call this.

So, society needs to take a bit of responsibility here as well. There are virtually NO social services in this area of the state, (and probably no place else in that Godforsaken place either). Social workers do what they can, but the bottom line is that nobody much cares about these kids or their parents, even as they go around sprouting Biblical scriptures. Why wasn't Tom Delay there to help her out?