Comments on: Bush: Iraqi, Afghan Wars "Our Destiny"

Says Outcome Of Wars Must Honor Sacrifice Of Fallen By Overcoming "Tyrants And Terrorists"

[aryaseng]

I am sorry, President Bush. At least the Iraq war can not be labeled as a destiny for the United States; it was your doing. It was a war gone into in false pretences - not for saving the American nation against the threat of terrorism from a despotic fanatical regime, but most possibly (history will confirm someday in future !) for ulterior political and imperialistic reasons of a coterie of people who wanted to gain and retain wealth in perpetuity. Pray, ask Bush, why have four thousand loyal American soldiers died and what were the sins of hundreds of thousands of the innocent Iraqi civilians who have been killed in the last four years? Can an American patriot not make a "citizen's arrest" of Bush and ensure his impeachment for the crimes against humanity that he has perpetrated?

[candojj1]

In Democracy in America, published in 1835, Tocqueville wrote of the New World and its burgeoning democratic order. Observing from the perspective of a detached social scientist, Tocqueville wrote of his travels through America in the early 19th century when the market revolution, Western expansion, and Jacksonian democracy were radically transforming the fabric of American life. He saw democracy as an equation that balanced liberty and equality, concern for the individual as well as the community. A critic of individualism, Tocqueville thought that association, the coming together of people for common purpose, would bind Americans to an idea of nation larger than selfish desires, thus making a civil society which wasn't exclusively dependent on the state.

[dkocolo]

Impeachment.

If we really want to have a country left, we need to start at the top and clean house.

2008 is an eternity and the thinking of the Administration is delusional at best, deceitful at worst.

End the war now.

[kailumego1]

What's a "contradiction of contradictions", those seriously advocating the war have yet to enlist or encourage their offspring, no they manipulate impressionable young men and women into doing their "dirty work".

This war is just another example of the capitalist imperialist wars of the past, which were solely for economic gain than spreading democracy.

Why do you think companies like Halliburton has been commissioned into rebuilding Iraq, instead of encouraging the Iraqi people into becoming more instrumental in the rebuilding/construction of "their" country, so that U.S. corporations can have control of the market, raw materials, labor and production.

This war has never been about democracy, but economic hegemony for major U.S. corporations minus Iraqi merchants, in order to make them dependent upon the U.S. for imported goods and services.

This war is about economic hegemony spiced with technological imperialism in order to subordinate the Iraqi people through circumvention and deception U.S. corporations will control the "market" over other Western European industrialist.

Bush/Cheney and rest of his fanatic supporters are merely bad-actors acting out a bad script trying to convince the public if you spray perfume on sh$t it won't stink.

Those that scream the loudest about democracy for the Iraqi people couldn't care less about these people or no one else other than themselves that's why they support this felonious war.

[kansas1946]

"This is our country's calling," Mr. Bush said. "It's our country's destiny."

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He has freaking lost his mind..

[firststate]

Mal Pericolosam Libertatem Quam Quietum Servitum: Better Liberty with Danger, than Peace with Slavery.
Posted by lars008

I finally agree with something you've posted. It is far better to enjoy our liberty including the inherent risk to the security of an open society than cede our protections, allowing domestic spying, illegal wiretaps, abuse of habeas corpus & secret detentions, et cettera ad nauseum for the peace and "safety" that come with the slavery to the state they create. The America created by the Constitution doesn't allow for negotiating away our rights and freedoms short of amending that document.

After swearing to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America, the Executive (President) takes office and is obligated to enforce the terms of that contract by which we agree to be governed. There can be no higher treason than that Executive's willfully ignoring some of the Constitution's limits on our government and directly violating others, inconvenient to his purposes, given his sworn duty to prevent such abuses as protector to the Constitution. It's the same inexcusable violation of trust as the parent who abuses his/her child.

[randalds]

I meant vaughnbauer, sorry randy!

Posted by mountainZen at 05:32 PM : May 29, 2007

No problem and I do agree with you on your points. I do think that vaughnbauer is trying to just stir things up, but his attempts to rewrite history is one of the more disturbing aspects of people on his side. People (as Orwell said so wisely) who "control the present, control the past" and this is something that we can not let just pass because if we do then ultimately they control the "truth". Their version of it anyway. that's why I also agree with you that we can disagree in this country, but more then that there are times when the truth compels us to disagree and this was one of those. The false assertion that Lincoln was somehow as hated as Bush is one the can not go unchallenged, lest someone who doesn't really have a grasp of history believe it.

[mountainzen]

I meant vaughnbauer, sorry randy!


The beauty of America is that we can argue about the president all we want. It's our constitutional freedom to disagree all we want. But when there are warrant-less wire taps, jails without trials, it seems that the very oath of office "to uphold the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic" seems to have been broken. It seems the president had his fingers crossed behind his back when he said these words.

We can disagree, and I would even use some of vagnhbauer's points in a thesis to emphasize and contrast mine. But the day we can no longer have that freedom of public debate without being labeled as some sort of terrorist is the day we stop being Americans and will be living not in the US but in the USSR.

So, it is a joy to disagree with vaughnbauer. Let's just hope both of us haven't generated lengthy F.B.I. files in the process, and are somehow forbidden to voice our respective opinions in the future. If that were to happen, we would know what the legacy of this administration will be to future generations. That would be "Our Destiny."

God Bless America!

[mountainzen]

I'm wondering if RandalDS really believes what he writes, or if he is just trying to provoke responses, stirring a wasps' nest, so-to-speak. Sort of how we're stirring a wasps' nest in the middle east, which is not at all like the civil war because it's half a world away. All analogies are flawed. Bush is Bush, Lincoln is Lincoln. All wars are hell, but each has it's own flavor of hell.

Bush started a war with a sovereign nation half a world away. Lincoln went to war here in the US to try to re-assert the Federal over the State, to try to unify this great nation back together as one. Bush went to war looking for weapons of mass destruction--none were found. To the government's credit, they admitted it and didn't plant weapons of mass destruction. The war in Iraq never started out as a "War on Terror." That was the war in Afghanistan. Iraq was supposedly about Sadam having weapons of mass destruction. Both Sadam and the weapons are long gone, yet the war goes on.

[mikealford3]

The main Tyrant we need to rid the world of is George Bush, the current American "President"/Tyrant.