Comments on: Life For Killing Boy Who Tread On Lawn

Ohio Man Sentenced In Shooting Of 15-Year-Old Who Crossed His Yard

[mjm117]

Kid was a punk!
Posted by achadog at 06:13 PM : May 25, 2007

So you knew him huh? Old man was a prick.

[achadog]

Kid was a punk!

[toldyouso21]

think that the Prison sentence passed on this old man of 67 was very justified. How he was even gurranteed parole in 18 years, I will not understand. Posted by ralphj53 at 01:05 PM : May 25, 2007

Okay.the old man is NOT guaranteed parole in 18 years. The article indicates that in 18 years will be the first time the parole board will consider releasing him. They can and often do say NO.

Charles Manson has been eligible for Parole many times--but every time it comes up, he is denied. He and the public know that he will probably NEVER get out. Parole is never guaranteed it just means that a case will be reviewed and people will determine if a person is rehabilitated enough to return to society.

[mjm117]

Posted by toldyouso21 at 05:15 PM : May 25, 2007

I agree with you toldyouso21.

I just have a difficult time with zuser justifying the old man's actions. Yes you can't guarantee how others will react, it's just sad that there are people out there that agree with that sentiment.

[toldyouso21]

mjm117 at 04:50 PM : May 25, 2007:

I totally agree with you but....as a mother of 5 kids (4 grown) who raised them to be loving and respectful to not run in stores, etc...I have to say this. If this were a perfect world or a Truman Show--we could order up an SOP on how to react--but just like in raising kids--the people in this society are winging it--and the way they handle events has a lot to do with how they were raised and what they have come in contact with.

What I was trying to point out is that you never know who people will come in contact with--and since we cannot dictate or control a reaction we can only control ourselves and try to limit the types of reactions we elicit. This means we teach our children to be discreet, to watch what they say and consider the circumstances and the audience, to not antagonize others--not for sport or entertainment or even, if possible--not for retaliation. We teach them that--because even if what you say was the right response is right....some will not do it that way--and to prevent our babies from being victims--we teach them not to survive in a perfect world--or even an ideal one--we teach them to survive and thrive in this dysfunctional one--where if you say the wrong thing, wear the wrong clothes, drive in the wrong neighborhood or walk in the wrong places--a nut can and will kill you.

[toldyouso21]

There was a previous story about this phineasgage1. It was posted not too long after this first happened. It explained that the kid was walking home from school. Posted by nlm2383 at 12:32 PM : May 25, 2007

I read a story about this some time ago also. It said the kid and the man had several discussions about the yard and the man warned the boy that he would shoot him the next time he did this. It also said the kid (and others) had walked on the man's yard numerous times. Still, the man over reacted and killed the kid and there is no way he was right in doing that--but like I said--right or wrong, the kid is dead--you cannot raise a child for every eventuality--but if parents would at least raise their children to respect other's property and to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away, know when to run... a lot more kids would live to grow up.

On another note, the man may have slight dementia. When older people have that--they are not wrapped too tight. Marvin Gayes Dad had it, and when Marvin got smart, the old man took a gun and shot his own son in the head. A lot of old folks do not and will not take guff from others--and just think a good many more --hair triggered, used to getting their own way and calling the shots--baby booming Americans are growing old--it will be interesting to see where this all takes us when the original spoiled brats--collide with the progeny they created.

[mjm117]

compare apples to apples--the kid was shot for taunting an old man and disrespecting the man's right to his own "castle" and in the old man's mind the right to defend it. Note: the man did not shoot the boy earlier--he warned him. This is not about someone grabbing someone's hand or how you feel or what comes out of your or your child's mouth (though in the wrong place, to voice an opinion COULD mean a death) it is about discretion.

Posted by toldyouso21 at 04:39 PM : May 25, 2007

#1 My question posed to zuser stated I was curious at where he drew the line. Obviously I realize that the situations stated were not directly comparible.

#2 Call the freakin' police. Put up a no trespassing sign.

#3 STILL NOT WORTHY OF A MURDER

#4 Call the freakin' police.

#5 Call the freakin' police

#6 Maybe speak with the kids parents??? Communication with a teenager isn't always easy...maybe the parents could have helped with the situation???

#7 CALL THE POLICE

[toldyouso21]

The fact that you think this is fodder for some type of highbrow discussion disturbs me more than the incident. Posted by feedback3 at 11:46 AM : May 25, 2007


The decline of any civilization and any resultant barbarism, is prefaced by millions of small acts that most ignore and find meaningless or harmless that eventually contribute to the destruction of the whole.

There should be a high brow discussion about this--small thing though it is, it has HUGE ramifications--they say the mass murderer Cho was picked on by others--break down in raising and manners (bullies are not raised--they are created in a vacuum of compassion) 31 besides him died because of that and perhaps other reasons. We war, we kill, and many think anything goes--while others think their version of raising is best...it ALL contributes--and yes, it is good to see what people write here--because these may be people you and yours come across and if they condone either the lawn tresspassing or the murder--these are the same scenario you or your kids may one day face. How others think MATTERS--when you collide with them. It could cost you (or them) a life or a war.

[agnim]

I bet this kid will know to not walk on the devil's lawn when he goes to hell? LOL

For an old fool to kill a child for whatever reason is beyond insane and criminal.
But who is caring for the children these days, and guiding them towards a proper, respectful and successful life?

Where is the respect for elders?
Too many adults BOTH at home and at school are failing the children. And the equally lawmakers are stressing rights to this and rights to that, but not simultaneously stressing responsibility. And so the children pick up bad habits from irresponsible adults, endanger their well being and even their very lives.

[toldyouso21]

like it or not our young are a reflection of us and our inability to be able to communicate. we are all victims of wanting to be "right", being "right" is more important than life. now both of these lives are wasted, another reminder for the rest of us as to what is really important in life. do unto others as you would have them do unto you, get in the game america, it ain't that hard. nobody is right when a life is wasted.
Posted by uncondluv at 11:44 AM : May 25, 2007


A MOST EXCELLENT POST.