Comments on: $500M Treasure Ship Found In Atlantic

Explorers Believe Colonial-Era Treasure Is Richest In History; Location Of Ship Kept Secret

[phoenix1218]

A-JI,
I am not the one who made it about slavery, Casper is ...

BELONGS TO WHO? All of this money should be given to the descendents of slaves, as it was procured during the COLONIAL period when SLAVES were doing all the WORK and gettin no benefits at all. This money must be placed in banks for DESCENDENTS of Slaves to draw from each year a certain amount ? 500 dollars each, to help settle the books. Posted by CASPER10X

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Phoenix, so why didn't you say it in as plain as simple as your last post? And just a reminder this is about a sunken treasure not about slavery.

[phoenix1218]

...and who GIVES a rats a$$ about all this cr@p you're boring us with?? Get the fu(k out of here and go bother someone else....MORON.
Posted by whytgrlzrule
...Fu(k dude, give us a break and shut the he11 up, you're BORING man.
Posted by shutUPfreak

WOW, I am SO impressed with your apparent knowledge of the english language. You could have at least used more interesting lexicon. You must make your Mother very vainglorious.

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Phoenix, so why did'nt you say it in as plain as simple as your last post? And just a reminder this is about a sukne treasure not about slavery.

[phoenix1218]

I may be boring but i'm making a point....there WERE black slaveowners and they were NOT always slaveowners in order to free their relatives. If you don't like what I post, don't read it, plain and simple. I think I've made my point though.

And just so you know, and don't think I am racist, my family helped free slaves through the Underground Railroad.

[randalds]

Phoenix1218 are you enjoying talking to yourself?? Fu(k dude, give us a break and shut the he11 up, you're BORING man.
Posted by shutUPfreak at 03:16 PM : May 18, 2007

Speaking of boring! This has to be didntinhale under a new name to be as lame of a troll as this guy. Shoo troll, shoo!

[whytgrlzrule]

Nice plagerizing Phoenix1218, great, you can cut and paste - and who GIVES a rats a$$ about all this cr@p you're boring us with?? Get the fu(k out of here and go bother someone else....MORON.

[phoenix1218]

Many black masters were faced with the dilemma of controlling their slaves when they exploited the labor of their servants. The black masters believed that punishment was a necessary instrument to control their slaves and preserve a sense of authority. Like white slaveowners, the black masters placed disobedient slaves in the city jail or the workhouse and contemplated further punishment for their servants. In 1851, Elizabeth Collins Holloway, a colored woman, placed her servant Celia in the city jail after her slave had run away. In 1852, Hollowayo?=s servant Peggy was confined in the workhouse for disciplinary reasons. Such a confinement usually lasted from five to thirty days, depending upon the disposition of the slave masters. After the slaves were released from the workhouse, it was not unusual for their masters to give them a flogging for their disobedience. . . .

[phoenix1218]

For example, Richard Holloway, Sr., a free black of Charleston City, bought a slave named Charles Benford in order that the slave might enjoy his freedom. Yet at the same time, he owned other slaves who were not treated so kindly. In 1834, for instance, he purchased a Negro woman named Sarah and her two children, Annett and Edward, from Susan B. Robertson for $575. Within three years after the purchase, he apparently became dissatisfied with the slave family and sold them for $945. Even though Richard Holloway, Sr., allowed a trusted servant to enjoy a greater degree of freedom, he was still a slaveowner for profit. So he sold and purchased slaves as an investment even while he held other slaves for benevolent reasons. To consider him a benevolent master would be erroneous because he also exploited other slaves for his own benefit.

[phoenix1218]

Ellison was so successful, due to his utilization of cheap slave labor, that many white competitors went out of business. Such situations discredit impressions that whites dealt only with other whites. Where money was involved, it was apparent that neither Ellison's race or former status were considerations.

[phoenix1218]

In 1860 William Ellison was SC's largest Negro slaveowner. He was given the name April. A at birth, acommon practice of the period was to name a child after the day/month of his/her birth. Between 1800 & 1802 he was bought by a white man named William Ellison. Apprenticed at 12, he was taught the trades of carpentry, blacksmithing & machining, as well as how to read, write, cipher & do basic bookkeeping. On June 8, 1816, his owner appeared before a magistrate to gain permission to free him, now 26 years of age. In 1800 the South Carolina legislature had set out in detail the procedures for manumission. To end the practice of freeing unruly slaves of "bad or depraved" character & those who "from age or infirmity" were incapacitated, the state required that an owner testify under oath to the good character of the slave he sought to free. Also required was evidence of the slave's "ability to gain a livelihood in an honest way." Although lawmakers of the time could not envision the incredibly vast public welfare structures of a later age, these stipulations became law in order to prevent slaveholders from freeing individuals who would become a burden on the general public.

[a-ji]

Finders keepers Casper! Our ancestors too were once slave, and they fought for our freedom so that we the future generation will be slave no more. And they succeeded in doing so. Therefore, those $500M coins belongs to those who searched and found it. Why don't you start searching your own, you might find one.

[phoenix1218]

In 1860 there were at least 6 Negroes in Louisiana who owned 65+ slaves. The largest #, 152 slaves, were owned by the widow C. Richards & her son P.C. Richards, who owned sugar cane plantation. Another Negro slave magnate in Louisiana, Antoine Dubuclet (with over 100 slaves), a sugar planter. His estate was valued at (in 1860 dollars) $264,000. That year, the mean wealth of southern white men was $3,978. In Charleston, SC in 1860 125 free Negroes owned slaves; 6 owned 10 . Of the $1.5 million in taxable property owned by free Negroes in Charleston, more than $300,000 represented slave holdings. In NC 69 free Negroes were slave owners.

[a-ji]

Finders keepers casper! Our ancestors too were once slave, and they fought for our freedom so that we the futire generation will be slave no more. And they succeeded in doing so. Therefore, those $500M coins belongs to those who searched and found it. WHy don't you start searching your own, you might find one.

[phoenix1218]

According to federal census reports, on June 1, 1860 there were nearly 4.5 million Negroes in the United States, with fewer than four million of them living in the southern slaveholding states. Of the blacks residing in the South, 261,988 were not slaves. Of this number, 10,689 lived in New Orleans. The country's leading African American historian, Duke University professor John Hope Franklin, records that in New Orleans over 3,000 free Negroes owned slaves, or 28 percent of the free Negroes in that city. The majority of slaveholders, white and black, owned only one to five slaves. More often than not, and contrary to a century and a half of bullwhips-on-tortured-backs propaganda, black and white masters worked and ate alongside their charges; be it in house, field or workshop. The few individuals who owned 50 or more slaves were confined to the top one percent, and have been defined as slave magnates.

[phoenix1218]

In 1860 only a small minority of whites owned slaves. According to the U.S. census report for that last year before the Civil War, there were nearly 27 million whites in the country. Some eight million of them lived in the slaveholding states. The census also determined that there were fewer than 385,000 individuals who owned slaves (1). Even if all slaveholders had been white, that would amount to only 1.4 percent of whites in the country (or 4.8 percent of southern whites owning one or more slaves).
In the rare instances when the ownership of slaves by free Negroes is acknowledged in the history books, justification centers on the claim that black slave masters were simply individuals who purchased the freedom of a spouse or child from a white slaveholder and had been unable to legally manumit them. Although this did indeed happen at times, it is a misrepresentation of the majority of instances, one which is debunked by records of the period on blacks who owned slaves. These include individuals such as Justus Angel and Mistress L. Horry, of Colleton District, South Carolina, who each owned 84 slaves in 1830. In fact, in 1830 a fourth of the free Negro slave masters in South Carolina owned 10 or more slaves; eight owning 30 or more (2).

[randalds]

And Cheney thought his kickback and bribe money from the big oil companies and war contractors was going to be safe under water! HA!

[phoenix1218]

BELONGS TO WHO ? All of this money should be given to the descendents of slaves, as it was procured during the COLONIAL period when SLAVES were doing all the WORK and gettin no benefits at all. This money must be placed in banks for DESCENDENTS of Slaves to draw from each year a certain amount ? 500 dollars each, to help settle the books. Posted by CASPER10X

Casper,
The descendants of slaves do not deserve anything for what happened to their ancestors. If their ancestors were still alive then they would deserve it but they are not so there. Going by your theory that the blck peole of today are owed because their ancestors were slaves would mean that the MicMac Indian tribe owes me something because they massacred some of my ancestors....Come off it casper. The MicMac indians owe me nothing just like the blacks of today are owed nothing.

[taylpatr]

I'm of Slavic decent. The word Slave comes from the term Slavic. There were far more of my people enslaved throughout history than any other ethnic group. So, where's my cut?

[mountainzen]

Uhmm...that stuff is mine. I lost it or something. I can identify it--its mostly silver, and its worth about 500 million....