Comments on: Census: Minority Population Tops 100M

One-In-Three Americans Is A Minority; 4 States Have "Majority Minority" Population

[cpaide]

"There was a relatively large and thriving Hispanic presence throughout the Southwest BEFORE the Mexican/American War. That is the simple historical truth and denying it means you're either uneducated about it or are lying." Posted by RandalDS at 01:34 AM : May 18, 2007

Please cite something that backs up your opinions and PLEASE STOP THE PERSONAL ATTACKS.

I know that there were millions of people living in American cities as big, as rich, and even more populous than the capitals of Europe prior to the arrival of the Hispanics. These people were mostly MURDERED BY THE HISPANICS in one way or another. (See 1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus, by Charles C. Mann, ISBN: 1-4000-4006-X).

The Hispanic presence throughout the Southwest that you refer to was PUNY AND PRIMATIVE in comparison. I wouldn't brag about these missions. The missions, BUILT BY SLAVE LABOR--NOT BY THE HISPANICS, were mostly nothing but abandoned, tumbled-down buildings when the Americans took the empty desert and developed it. Thanks to the Americans, many of these missions have been rebuilt and are now nice tourist attractions. But the missions we see today do nothing to prove that any ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS "belong" here.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Missions_of_California in the Wikipedia for more information.

[randalds]

Below is a list of the 21 California Missions and the years they were founded. Notice anything about the names? Like maybe that many of them are now names of California cites and not names that "developers" came up with to be "quaint"? And these are just the missions in California. There were dozens and dozens and dozens of other Spanish and Mexican missions, small towns, churches with towns around them and villages throughout the Southwest starting from the early 1700's. To say the SouthWest was not once a significant part of Northern Mexico is wrong Wrong WRONG!

San Diego (16 July, 1769);
San Luis Rey (13 July, 1798);
San Juan Capistrano (1 November, 1776);
San Gabriel (8 September, 1771);
San Fernando (8 September, 1797);
San Buenaventura (31 March, 1782);
Santa Barbara (4 Dec., 1786);
Santa Inez (17 Sept., 1804);
Purmsima Concepcisn (8 Dec., 1787);
San Luis Obispo (1 Sept., 1772);
San Miguel (25 July, 1797);
San Antonio de Padua (14 July, 1771);
Soledad (9 Oct., 1791);
San Carlos or Carmelo (3 June, 1770);
Santa Cruz (29 Sept., 1791);
San Juan Bautista (24 June, 1797);
Santa Clara (12 January, 1777);
San Josi (11 June, 1797);
San Francisco (9 Oct., 1776);
San Raphael (14 Dec., 1817);
San Francisco Solano (4 July, 1823).

[randalds]

Posted by cpaide at 01:10 AM : May 18, 2007

I still have never seen an American flag hung upside down at any protest or in any neighborhoods in L.A. I just have not.

I eat at fast food places all over L.A. and never have any trouble ordering food. Yes sometimes their accents are a bit thick, but they speak English. Every time. Lived here for all of the last 8 years and most of the last 18 and never have had a problem.

A Commodore during the Mexican/American war is hardly a "developer", but even he named it after a Spanish Mission because the majority of Hispanic sounding city names in California are named after the Spanish missions that founded them! They were all up and down the coast (and inland) with names like San Luis Obispo, Santa Rosa and San Juan Capistrano. And Of course some idiot developers name some housing developments after Indian and Spanish names, but there are more then enough named by Mexicans and Spaniards to show they were here in large numbers and many of the Hispanic residents of California are descended from them. There was a relatively large and thriving Hispanic presence throughout the Southwest BEFORE the Mexican/American War. That is the simple historical truth and denying it means you're either uneducated about it or are lying.

[rudy654-2009]

"Adult classes that teach English are full every evening at high schools and community colleges across the city every night and weekend."

Right! I'm an ESL and citizenship teacher, and there are enough teachers for all of the people who want to learn English and citizenship. Randal, you know what you're talking about.

[cpaide]

RandalDS--PLEASE STOP THE NAME-CALLING, especially when almost everything you say is misleading and incorrect.

"I've never seen the American flag hung upside down..."

Let's see, I did a GOOGLE IMAGE SEARCH and got 41,600 RESULTS for "u.s. flag upside down mexican"

http://images.google.com/images?um=1&tab=wi&hl=en&q=u.s.+flag upside down mexican


"They don't refuse to learn English either."

That one is simple. Go to any fast food place in L.A. and try to order in English. Or VISIT A MIDDLE SCHOOL. "But I yam speeke inglish"

http://www.proenglish.org/issues/offeng/census.html


"The Hispanic names in California are Hispanic because the cities were named by Hispanics!!"

Wrong again. Here's one example, SAN FRANCISCO: In 1846, during the Mexican War, Commodore JOHN SLOAT (could be hispanic, but I doubt it) captured and named the settlement for the San Francisco de Asms mission (better known as Mission Dolores). Santa Clarita, Valencia, and many, many other cities were, in fact, named by developers.

I recommend to you the following: CALIFORNIA PLACE NAMES: The Origin and Etymology of Current Geographical Names by Erwin G. Gudde, Publisher: University of California Press; 1 edition (August 20, 1998), ISBN-10: 0520213165

[incog-nito]

To anybody feeling upset or despondent after reading this article, here's a solution. Have a talk with your spouse, something like this:

"Honey, why don't we have a few more kids, say, 10 to 15? I want to help offset the ethnic imbalance and retain the character of this great nation of ours. How about it?"

[randalds]

The names of cities in Southern California are no evidence of "belonging" to Spain or Mexico. Most of the names were given by American developers who thought they sounded quaint. These same developers took a dry, unpopulated desert, watered it and made it bloom like a rose.

Posted by cpaide at 11:52 PM : May 17, 2007

What a complete crock of sh*it!!!! The Hispanic names in California are Hispanic because the cities were named by Hispanics!! You're not stupid enough to think a developer named Los Angeles or San Diego or San Francisco or Santa Barbara or are you? What an ignorant thing to say! What a complete and utter LIE! Southern California was a possession of Mexico before we took it from them in the Mexican/American war. So was Colorado, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. That is a historical fact and you are a complete bullshi*ter! Christ if you're going to lie then at least try to come up with one that sounds true and that can't be disproved by anyone with a history book!

[cpaide]

A large part of the US used to belong to Mexico. If you live somewhere else you may have a legitimist complaint.
Posted by Norcalruss at 10:18 PM : May 17, 2007

That is a complete MYTH. North America never "belonged" to the Mexicans. They never populated it with significant numbers of people, nor did anything constructive with it. Neither did the Spanish. Just about every country visited by the Spanish HISPANICS was destroyed. Just about every country visited by the English ANGLOS was improved.

The names of cities in Southern California are no evidence of "belonging" to Spain or Mexico. Most of the names were given by American developers who thought they sounded quaint. These same developers took a dry, unpopulated desert, watered it and made it bloom like a rose.

This land belongs to AMERICANS, including all LEGAL IMMIGRANTS who choose to become Americans by obeying they laws of the land, learning the language and constructively contributing to America.

Those ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS who break the law and demand special treatment and handouts DO NOT BELONG HERE and AMERICA DOES NOT BELONG TO THEM.

[cpaide]

I'm not sure how having illegal immigrants from Mexico impedes folks from these countries from moving to America...can you explain? And I'm confused - what makes Mexicans as a population racist bigots?
Posted by rwassel

Economics 101, my friend. The reason people come to America is for the paycheck. If ILLEGAL MEXICANS take all the jobs, that impedes other LEGAL IMMIGRANTS from moving to America.

What makes these ILLEGAL MEXICANS bigots? "A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own." --From Wikipedia Well, they openly defy U.S. laws, hang the U.S. flag upside down (not just at protests, either--I see this all over many neighborhoods), refuse to learn English, and persecute other immigrant groups.

Just last Sunday, I witnessed over a dozen itinerant mexican taco vendors selling food just outside the doors of Chinese and Vietnamese restaurants in Chinatown Los Angeles. They posted signs in Spanish on the outside walls of the restaurants. What are Mexicans doing in Chinatown selling tacos? Mexicans have excluded other ethnic groups from Olvera Street, a touristy mexican market in downtown Los Angeles.

People outside of S. California just don't understand the severity of the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT problem. If they did, they would deport the 20 MILLION ILLEGALS, along with the President and both Houses of Congress and redeploy our troops from Iraq to the Mexican border.

[incog-nito]

The gov't can well afford to secure the border, that is IF they want to. C'mon, we already spend hundreds of billions on Iraq. The fact is, businesses WANT the cheap labor of immigrants, legal or not, and businesses are the biggest campaign contributors, NOT the average Joe.

For better or worse, that's the "Free Market" at work, maximizing profit by cutting cost. Americans love to tout the Gospel of the Free Market. Well, here it is.