Comments on: Texas Voters Pass Anti-Immigrant Rule

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[randalds]

Actually, Mexico sold us the territories, read & learn:
The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, signed on February 2, 1848 by American diplomat Nicholas Trist, ended the war and gave the U.S undisputed control of Texas, established the U.S.-Mexican border of the Rio Grande River, and ceded to the United States California, Nevada, Utah, and parts of Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico, and Wyoming. In return, Mexico received US $15,000,000.


Posted by nottellin1 at 03:36 PM : May 14, 2007

Of course they did, with a gun to their head. This "treaty" was accepted by Mexico in the same way the government forced "treaties" on the Native American tribes. It was worth less then the paper it was written one as far as fairness. Phony forced "Treaty" or not if was still stealing.

[nottellin1]

Actually the bulk of that 40 million were born here and have roots here that go back further then the founding of America. We must remember that the entire Southwest (esp Southern California and Texas, where most of the long term Hispanic residents live) was theirs until we took it away from them and the native Americans living here. Texas and California were Mexican, before they were American.
Posted by RandalDS at 03:24 PM : May 14, 2007

Actually, Mexico sold us the territories, read & learn:
The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, signed on February 2, 1848 by American diplomat Nicholas Trist, ended the war and gave the U.S undisputed control of Texas, established the U.S.-Mexican border of the Rio Grande River, and ceded to the United States California, Nevada, Utah, and parts of Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico, and Wyoming. In return, Mexico received US $15,000,000.

[grimloxz]

R U kidding? This is for the both you...

Recounting the actions of a group of people, in this case a nation, for the purpose of exploring present-day socio-economic realties I would hardly consider 'racist'. One cannot deny the profound impact the U.S, has had on the development of societies in the Western hemisphere. However the perception that that impact was most if not all of a benign, altruistic nature commonly persists in the collective American mythos and deserves to not only be exposed as patently false, but examined as to why such a thing would exist. The posts serve as means to at least have a conversation about that. The posts serve to explore the actual impact of U.S. foreign policy through the handful of cases sans the Johnny Appleseed feel good. If one has counterargument please feel free to post. I welcome it, I get much of my subject matter for my high school students from insights into the though processes of posters on boards like these. Now, I ask again, how my fellow does one make the jump for the above to racism? Is someone playing that pesky 'race card' again?

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[tucano2]

It is not an anti-immigrant law, stupid spinmasters! It has to do with ILLEGAL ALIENS, not lawfully integrated immigrants. Has CBS totally forgotten how to accurately REPORT THE FACTS, NOT INVENT A STORY? Senators Feinstein and Boxer take note of the CBS lies.

[randalds]

China towns, Korea towns and even Olvera Street were created by LEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

Peace out!
Posted by nottellin1 at 03:28 PM : May 14, 2007

Sure they were and my grandparents immigrated here legally too. However that was when immigration laws were fairer and allowed much easier access to citizenship then now. Back in the day all our ancestors had to do was show up on Ellis Island, pass a quick physical and in they came. It is nearly impossible for someone to immigrate here from Mexico or Central America, so to compare their experience to trying to immigrate here with those that came here 100 years ago is ridiculous. With our current draconian immigration laws as they apply to people from South of the border it's not the "law breakers" that are wrong, it's the law.

[nottellin1]

RandalDS

I'm a racist, ooooh, is that the best you can do? Please ask my friends of all races if that is true and yes these friends of many races do all feel as I do about illegal aliens. China towns, Korea towns and even Olvera Street were created by LEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

Peace out!

[randalds]

There was another post regarding the illegals protesting. The person stated that there are 40 million hispanic citizens in America. 40 Million, doesn't that reflect that proper and legal immigration is possible and works?
Posted by mikealford3 at 03:10 PM : May 14, 2007

Actually the bulk of that 40 million were born here and have roots here that go back further then the founding of America. We must remember that the entire Southwest (esp Southern California and Texas, where most of the long term Hispanic residents live) was theirs until we took it away from them and the native Americans living here. Texas and California were Mexican, before they were American.

[randalds]

I would also think that as an EMT in California you would see the harmfull effects of drugs and would realize why they are illegal.


We still disagree however.
Posted by mikealford3 at 03:05 PM : May 14, 2007

Actually I was an EMT in Phoenix when I was living there. Yes I saw some terrible effects of bad drugs, but I never once saw anyone who had a problem with pot. Keeping it illegal is a terrible waste of resources and this whole "gateway" drug argument that some use is ridiculous and an insult to young people. They're a lot smarter then many adults give them credit for. Once they figure out that you're lying to them about pot why should they believe you on any drug or anything else for that matter.

[klingon69]

In the past, we gave them amnesty, which converted the solution from a tax expenditure to a tax income, and resolved a social problem. We re-acquired that social problem, again 20 years later because the economic conditions haven't improved enough. With one strike of a pen, all those illegal aliens could be made legal, but the purist and ethnic attitudes won't go away that easily.

Yes, we gave them amnesty, and since they had the right to demand better wages and conditions, more new illegals came in to take the low paying wages, so now those who were given amnesty then had to turn to full public assistance.

[klingon69]

State of Texas against:2) funding public education for illegal aliens

Why should our taxes go to providing a public education for non-citizens?

:3) funding English as Second Language and teaching students in their native language for 2 years

Normally I would not care about teaching them in their native tongue, however it rarely would occur that way, and they should be on the rolls for future citizenship.

:4) against equal access to public funding for quality public education

See my previous comment.

:5) against illegal aliens right to public health care.

Again, why should our tax dollars go to support these leeches on society.

In all cases, a Federal Judge ruled against the State of Texas and the KKK for clearly launching antisocial agressions that always target immigrants.

Must have been some left-leaning liberal, this is not targeting immigrants, merely illegal aliens.

The City of Farmers Branch is just as reprehensible as the KKK. The root of their feelings is simply purist and ethnic. They seek every form of ethnic cleansing possible under the law. Their behavior is the shame of Texas.
Posted by Pensacola8 at 11:49 AM : May 14, 2007

You really are an idiot. The city of Farmers Branch put to a vote, and the decision was made by the legal voting citizenry of that town.

BTW, since you are using the moniker of pensacola, are you a cuban immigrant? Did you merely step ashore as provided under President 9lets sell out America) Jimmy Carter?

[jester188]

tbweb... your great.. not because your comments make any sence... but it is the lack of any meaning that is great... I just laughed my a$$ off... it truly shows that un-educated people have a voice....

way to represent the slow and stupid....

[mikealford3]

There was another post regarding the illegals protesting. The person stated that there are 40 million hispanic citizens in America. 40 Million, doesn't that reflect that proper and legal immigration is possible and works?

[mikealford3]

Randal, your 2:44 and 2:50 posts were very valid and you make good points with those posts. Thankfully with a job in the rescue squad you don't get high. I'd hate to be the unfortunate one in need of help and have some doped up EMT standing over me with my life in his/her hands. I would also think that as an EMT in California you would see the harmfull effects of drugs and would realize why they are illegal.


We still disagree however.

[phoenix1218]

Do I agree with RandalDS, NO WAY, at least not as far as immigration issues are concerned. That being said, I do agree with him in regards to not lieing to your children when they ask about pot. You cannot tell them "don't do it" and not give them any reason as to why not when you yourself did it. I think you should tell a child don't do it because this or that happened to me when I did it and this or that can happen to you if you do it. I do agree with RandalDS as far as some laws in the past that have been broken because people wanted the laws to change. My family too helped in the underground railroad and I doubt there are many people today that would say slavery was good, because it was certainly not good.

I do think that immigration laws need to be changed. But let them change after there are no illegal immigrants. Plenty of legal immigrants do not like the illegals. I am all for legal immigrants receiving help they need because they are LEGAL. It is the illegal immigrants that I have a problem with. All people want is for them to come here the right way just as we would expect to go to another country legally. My great Grandparents came here the right way and there is NO reason for others to come here illegally because as far as I see it for someone to come illegally it is a slap in the face for all the ones who did it right.

[klingon69]

America...wake up and remember your roots! A country of immigrants passing anti-immigrant legislation?
Posted by ms2rt at 08:59 AM : May 14, 2007

Only illegal immigrants (Aliens)

[randalds]

That explains everything, you just confessed to being a drug user, a pot head! So this Posting is your brain on drugs! I don't do drugs, too bad you do, drugs are illegal and not good for you, you shouldn't encourage your kids to use drugs either.

Posted by tbweb at 02:46 PM : May 14, 2007

Actually I haven't gotten high in about 13 years. I took a job on a rescue squad and they check that sort of thing. Since then I just haven't bothered. Still from the sound of your posts you certainly could use a few hits off a good joint once in awhile. Might take some of that terrible self-righteous stiffness out of your neck. Must be painful as all hell on the back and neck to walk around looking down on everyone else that way.

[randalds]

John Thomas Scopes thought it was a bad law that forced teachers to teach only creationism in public schools, so he violated the law on purpose and taught evolution to force change. It was a crime under the Nazis to harbor Jews (and yes Germany went through the whole process of law to make these things illegal in their court system) yet many many people disobeyed that laws and helped hide Jews and helped move them out to freedom.

The point is that it's ridiculous to say all laws must be obeyed until they can be changed. civil disobedience has a long and honored history in the world and in this country. Our nation was founded by people who broke the law to do it and risked hanging. So yes, some laws should be broken and yes I taught my children that truth.

[tbweb]

RandalDS wrote:

When my kids asked me about pot for instance I certainly wasn't going to lie and say I'd never smoked it, so I talked to them honestly about smoking it and the number one problem with it, ...

Posted by RandalDS at 02:18 PM : May 14, 2007

--RandalDS

That explains everything, you just confessed to being a drug user, a pot head! So this Posting is your brain on drugs! I don't do drugs, too bad you do, drugs are illegal and not good for you, you shouldn't encourage your kids to use drugs either. The government has all types of public information services aimed at America's youth, a similar statement on the hot topic of illegal immigration and why the illegal Mexicans are getting away with it would be a good idea. Let me be clear, because I'm busy and in the middle of something and can't spend the time to articulate my points. Whether its someones kid, family member or a youth stranger, an explanation of the illegal immigrant issue in a context youth can understand would be time well spent especially with the violence being shown all over the news related to it.

[randalds]

Do you honestly teach children which laws they should obey and condone a child breaking the law just because they think it's stupid or wrong????

Posted by mikealford3 at 02:39 PM : May 14, 2007

They're all adults now, but yes I honestly taught them that some laws are wrong and should not be obeyed. Not all laws should be obeyed. For instance it used to be illegal in this country to harbor a runaway slave even in the slave free Northern states, but many people disobeyed that laws and funneled slaves North into Canada where families like mine gave them refuge and helped get them on their feet. Bad law, good one to disobey. It also used to be a crime for a black person not to give up their seat to a white person or to use the same lunch counter, bathroom or drinking faucet, yet Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King and hundreds of thousands of other brave people intentionally violated those laws and brought about change. Other famous criminals include Mahatma Gandhi and even Jesus Christ (it was a crime to throw the moneychangers out of the temple and to destroy their places of business, but he did it).

[mikealford3]

When my kids asked me about pot for instance I certainly wasn't going to lie and say I'd never smoked it, so I talked to them honestly about smoking it and the number one problem with it, it's still illegal (though we're working on changing that ignorant law). Everyone chooses which laws they'll obey and which ones they won't and even which ones they should NOT obey. If you teach your kids differently then you're setting them up for a real fall in the real world.
Posted by RandalDS at 02:18 PM : May 14, 2007


Randal,
Do you honestly teach children which laws they should obey and condone a child breaking the law just because they think it's stupid or wrong????

Perhaps you have been smoking some of that marijuna recently.