Comments on: Vegan Couple Gets Life For Child's Death

Malnourished 6-Week-Old Died After Eating Diet Of Soy Milk And Apple Juice

[gordon.couger]

Life is too harsh a sentence for some one that is only a treat to their children.

They have their own private Hell to live with the rest of their lives why should we pick up the bill for thier room and board for the rest of their lives if they are no theart to us.

A couple of years in the genral prison population will teach them the error in their ways. Convicts don't think much of baby killers or vegens either one. If they live over that they won't do it again.

gc

[retiredusaf3]

And just think you have to get a licence to get a dog.

[miffyblue]

How could any "natural" parenting style not include breastfeeding? Did the mother feel like she could not let her child drink an "animal" product even if SHE was the consenting animal? Every person who has spent any time researching diet & nutrition, as a vegan should have to do, would know that babies need plenty of fat in their diets for the first 24 months, and that they cannot digest apple juice or even milk that isn't formula or mother's milk. This makes me so sad. Even if this mother had a reason not to breastfeed, soy-based baby forumla is widely available.

[phoenix1218]

Mo_Tiger,
I agree that the Partial Birth Abortion Comment seems out of line with this article but to answer your question "How many babies are born alive during an abortion", Partial Birth Abortion is when the mother is in labor, the infant legs (and usually arms too) are outside of the womb kicking around, the murderer (oops, I mean doctor) inserts scissors into the base of the skull, inserts a tube and sucks the brains out, and the legs and arms stop moving and the baby is no more. This is a horrible thing to do because the infant could survive outside the womb if the doctor didn't do what he did, and if the mother didn't let it happen.

[phoenix1218]

This all happened 3 years ago, why is it considered "news"??? Posted by ralan40

It is considered news because they were finally convicted like they should be.

No excuse, even for first-time parents. These people are 27- and 31-years-old,...They aren't 14...They should've also questioned why their 6-week-old only weighed 3 pounds, and gotten medical care. While they're in jail, they should only be fed soy milk and apple juice.
Posted by peach652

I agree with Peach652, Soy Milk and Apple Juice for their jail term. I bet they will be so hungry when they get out that they will not be vegans anymore.

Ignorance is still no excuse. The only leniency I would approve is an option for early parole if they undergo permanent sterilization.
Posted by AlabamDeb

I SO agree with you AlabamDeb!!! Sterilize them.

[bellal-2009]

How did the mother not know that breastmilk was the best nutrition for her baby? How seriously stupid.

[ecuadoriana]

"If you are not capible of being smart enough to figure out dietary needs and adjust accordingly, then you are probably not able to prove you are adhering to the lifestyle."
Posted by ralan40 at 01:28 PM : May 09, 2007

You're refering to people who feed their kids dead animals whom lived their lives in torture & abuse before being murdered in most horrific & unsanitary ways, right?

As a vegan, I've never had to "adjust accordingly". Because I don't eat animals my diet is actually much cleaner, healthier, more balanced & much more appetising than diets consisting of grease-laden, artery clogging, low consciousness "meat & meat by-products".

Do any of you actually think about what is in that nitrate & sodium saturated "meat by-product"?! Once you know, you may want to adjust the toilet seat accordingly!

[ecuadoriana]

"I feel certain that a vegan or vegetarian would not put the life of an animal over their child!!"
Posted by va3mom at 01:15 PM : May 09, 2007

Rock on, va3mom!

[lanaedawn]

I don't think the story was written as a slant against veganism or vegetarianism. Geesh, don't be so sensitive!

I wish they had given more details because it seems that the parents were doing what they thought was right in a very ignorant way. To be found guilty of all those things makes me wonder if perhaps there is more to the story.

Everyone should be educated about what to and what not to feed children, vegan or not.

[ralan40]

This all happened 3 years ago, why is it considered "news"???
The story probably leaves out crucial facts that led to the Murder charge but since it appears they took 6 weeks from birth to seek medical help, that alone would probably convince me to put them away.
The fact is that babies do not starve to death 'by accident'. How can they say they chose a natural diet when breastfeeding was not an option. How can breastfeeding be considered not part of the vegan lifestyle? Being a vegan requires knowlege of dietary needs, esspecially for a newborn. If you are not capible of being smart enough to figure out dietary needs and adjust accordingly, then you are probably not able to prove you are adhering to the lifestyle. Ignorence of the law is no excuse. Unintentional death is still murder, regardless just as leaving a child in a hot car in the summer is murder if they die.

[ralan40]

This all happened 3 years ago, why is it considered "news"???
The story probably leaves out crucial facts that led to the Murder charge but since it appears they took 6 weeks from birth to seek medical help, that alone would probably convince me to put them away.
The fact is that babies do not starve to death 'by accident'. How can they say they chose a natural diet when breastfeeding was not an option. How can breastfeeding be considered not part of the vegan lifestyle? Being a vegan requires knowlege of dietary needs, esspecially for a newborn. If you are not capible of being smart enough to figure it out, then you are not adhering to the lifestyle. Ignorence of the law is no excuse. Unintentional death is still murder, regardless just as leaving a child in a hot car in the summer is murder if they die.

[ralan40]

This all happened 3 years ago, why is it considered "news"???
The fact is that babies do not starve to death 'by accident'. How can they say they chose a natural diet when breastfeeding was not an option. How can breastfeeding be considered not part of the vegan lifestyle? Being a vegan requires knowlege of dietary needs, esspecially for a newborn. If you are not capible of being smart enough to figure it out, then you are not adhering to the lifestyle. Ignorence of the law is no excuse. Unintentional death is still murder, regardless just as leaving a child in a hot car in the summer is murder if they die. The story probably leaves out crucial facts that led to the Murder charge but since it appears they took 6 weeks from birth to seek medical help, that alone would probably convince me to put them away.

[va3mom]

LIFE?? I do hope they checked, closely, to see if the parents were o.k., mentally, themselves? It does seem that it would be "negligence" if they really felt they were doing right by their child!! I have 2 children that are vegetarians and they are careful of their health. My sons Dr. once told him "Whatever you are doing I wish I could get my other patients to do it." (As he had VERY good blood, chol. etc.) I feel certain that a vegan or vegetarian would not put the life of an animal over their child!!

[ecuadoriana]

This child's death had nothing to do with the parents being vegan. This is about their completely pre-meditated, irresponsible behaviour & neglect.

This baby was born at home. They most likely never sought pre-natal or post-natal care. They waited "until minutes before he died" to seek help. All that has nothing to do with veganism.

If they had fed him hamburger & chicken nuggets for the first six weeks of his life he'd still be dead.

I've been a vegan for about 40 of my almost 50 years. I was vegan throughout my pregnancy & my now adult daughter was raised vegan. Her pediatricians often commented "If only meat eating kids could be as healthy as your child..." Incidentally, all real vegans do feed their babies breast milk, but not true of all carnivore mothers.

This article was written as a slant against a vegetarian or vegan diet. After reading this are we to believe that vegans kill their children while carnivore parents never do? Isn't it equally irresponsible for parents to allow their kids to live on fast food hamburgers to the point of obesity, juvenile diabetes & other health issues?

[peach652]

No excuse, even for first-time parents. These people are 27- and 31-years-old, for goodness sake. They aren't 14. They are adults and should've prepared better for caring for a baby. They should've also questioned why their 6-week-old only weighed 3 pounds, and gotten medical care.

While they're in jail, they should only be fed soy milk and apple juice.

[processor2]

For all liberals who believe in lifestyle "choice"

What "choice" did the baby have, Hmmmmmmm??

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PS

This Mother's Day, thank her for being pro-life, or else you would not be reading this post right now.

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[ladyephesus1]

This is so sad. I thought people consulted with pediatricians first before placing babies on these kinds of diets. omg, he only weighed 3 1/2 lbs?? what the hail?? people have gone crazy with all these nonsense diets and things. Half of them have no education in nutrition and just do what they think is right, when in fact, they turn out to be idiots such as these two. MY GOSH!!

[va3mom]

LIFE?? I do hope they checked, closely, to see if the parents were o.k., mentally, themselves? It does seem that it would be "negligence" if they really felt they were doing right by their child!! I have 2 children that are vegetarians and they are careful of their health. My sons Dr. once told him "Whatever you are doing I wish I could get my other patients to do it." (As he had VERY good blood, chol. etc.) I feel certain that a vegan or vegetarian would not put the life of an animal over their child!!

[alabamdeb]

Ignorance is still no excuse. The only leniency I would approve is an option for early parole if they undergo permanent sterilization.

[sjw1253]

Continued -

If the manslaughter was involuntary - it certainly would not be considered as Malice murder nor felony murder.

At the very most - one or two charges would have been sufficient - and the additional charges reduce any credibility to the persecution (not prosecution) of the parents.