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- vancouverboo wrote:
A crime is a crime is a crime.
Posted by vancouverboo 03:08 PM : May 03, 2007
Not so fast, that's not true! For example, if you are an illegal alien in the U.S. you can mass in great numbers and blackmail the U.S. into turning a crime into a legal right! :) - Reply to this comment
- Any person in the "Jurisdiction" of the United States is entitled to due process and equal protection of the law.
What part of due process and equal protection don't you people get? What part of the protesters weren't illegal can't you comprehend? I feel like one of the only educated people here beating my head against a wall!
Posted by capnboost at 02:56 PM : May 03, 2007
Amendment XIV
Section 1. %u2026nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
All of these individuals received the protection under the law to protest, hence it took place. Unfortunately, when the police were met with violence and declared the demonstration an unlawful protest, the law at that point focuses on the dispersal of the demonstration.
They became unlawful citizens as soon as they delayed their dispersal as per law enforcement orders. Due process, as it is applied in the Constitution, is referring to Habeus Corpus, or the writ not to be arrested for an unpronounced amount of time. In this instance there were no arrests, and hence due process does not apply in this situation.
While it is nice to attempt to draw relevance from the constitution, a false analogy is being propagated by applying your rhetorical interpretation of the Constitution to this situation. - Reply to this comment
- The mexicans and central americans have trashed their own countries with their breeding to satisfy the popester. Now they're up here to trash this one and put it in the pope's vest pocket.
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- For a better understanding of the 14th Amendment, check out the website @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
Sounds to me that it was towards the blacks at the time they were freed. - Reply to this comment
Originally Posted by mauk11007 at 02:46 PM : May 03, 2007
I thought, "this is not a civilized response." This is not an immigration issue, though it probably has a racial undercurrent.
1. Why? Where is the warrant? What is the reason it probably has a racial undercurrent?
It is an issue of excessive violence by law enforcement that has no place in our society.
2. What is your definition of excessive violence? There were warnings to disperse%u2026 why blame the procedure if protesters are Spanish ONLY fluent? No violence would be necessary or have erupted if demonstrators walked away with alacrity. All a demonstrator has to do is follow directions.
The violence of our government at the state & federal levels must be contained if we our to live in a civilized society.
3. Although it may be unfortunate, force is one language that transcends through cultural boundaries. Obviously telling demonstrators to disperse is not effective. Apparently showing a strong visible force, police standing shoulder to shoulder in riot gear, is not effective. Hence law enforcement is forced to speak a language that everyone understands.
Demonstrators can easily avoid being injured by following directions quickly.
All this criticism, what would have been a viable alternative?- Reply to this comment
- ....all this just fans the flames of both sides of the story, so the problem is here to stay.
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- "Captnboost watch the movie "Z", it explains how it's done by the numbers."
Above quote Posted by Oneauta at 02:18 PM : May 03, 2007
What?
"The police did a good job. I still can't understand why the self-pro claimed "illegals" have any rights in this country. They should have been arrested. I'm totally confused. We do have
laws in this country."
Above quote Posted by cathaleen at 02:31 PM : May 03, 2007
*Everyone* has rights here. 14th Amendment- Equal protection of the law. -THE PROTESTERS WERE NOT ALL ILLEGALS-
"The problem is the Illegal Immigrants ."
14th amendment
"I am disappointed & appalled at the Illegal (mostly Mexicans) for demanding to be a citizen without following the Laws of this country."
14th amendment
"Why are the illegal Mexicans the only group that has a difficult time in learning the English language.."
English *is not* the official language of the United States, no one (including citizens) are legally compelled to learn it.
Above quotes Posted by krotec54 at 02:41 PM : May 03, 2007
What part of due process and equal protection don't you people get? What part of the protesters weren't illegal can't you comprehend? I feel like one of the only educated people here beating my head against a wall! - Reply to this comment
- I was born and raised in Germany and proud of the fact that I became an American Citizen in 1995. I did it the LEGAL way. I came on my own to Los Angeles in 1984 when I was 19. I went to an Attorney who I had to pay $3,000. I entered the 1st "Green-Card-Lottery" (another $1,500 for my attorney) and was really lucky to have won. My british friend got her Green Card after 8 years. There was a quota and INS pulled a certain number of people from each country. My interview was not held in L.A. but at the American Embassy in Germany as I was not supposed to be in this country. I met my husband, also German and we married in 1991. He received his Green Card finally after 14 years, 2 years ago! Always a hold-up. Even though we were married for all that time and had two kids in the meantime. There were countless visits to Downtown as early as 4 am standing in line. His fingerprints expired every year. Once every few years we had to go to the Doctor to get new RX done for the process. Our attorney of course charged as well, and we spend a good $5,000 more on my husband's case, not even counting the countless days he missed for work. We always paid our taxes, never used the system.
I work in the medical field and it bothers me to see small children translate for their parents. Learn the language if you want to stay here and better yourself. If this is your dream to have a better life, make it happen by doing it the LEGAL way. Good luck! - Reply to this comment
- I have rarely felt the anger I did in watching
Posted by mauk11007 at 02:46 PM : May 03, 2007
yah watching these illegals in our country...
that would make anybody mad...
f'ng illegals... go home... we don't need you... - Reply to this comment
- Posted by tbweb
With rampant crime in U.S. inner cities out of control, millions of illegals committing crime and foreign students gunning down Americans at Virginia Tech, the U.S. may just have to bite the bullet and let Americans carry weapons.
GUESS WHAT????? Americans already have the right to carry weapons, just not concealed weapons. In fact, I am researching old west style, hip holsters right now so that I may carry my gun at all times. 47 yo white woman that I am. - Reply to this comment
- I have rarely felt the anger I did in watching the brutality unleashed by the LAPD (again). I thought, "this is not a civilized response." This is not an immigration issue, though it probably has a racial undercurrent. It is an issue of excessive violence by law enforcement that has no place in our society. The violence of our government at the state & federal levels must be contained if we our to live in a civilized society. I am disappointed & appalled. I urge harsh sanctions, loss of jobs, severe punishment, legal action & heavy financial penalties be imposed against the LAPD as a unit & individual officers. The incident is disgusting & deserves public outrage & accountability at all levels.
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- Yes, Everyone is missing the real problem here. The problem is not immigration. The problem is the Illegal Immigrants .
If we are to live in a civilized society, Laws and rules are to be obeyed to be a Civilized Society. I am disappointed & appalled at the Illegal (mostly Mexicans) for demanding to be a citizen without following the Laws of this country. Why are the illegal Mexicans the only group that has a difficult time in learning the English language, understanding the Laws of their country and the host country (America) that they want to be a citizen of? I urge harsh sanctions, loss of jobs, severe punishment, legal action & heavy financial penalties be imposed against the illegal individual offenders, or better yet, Deport them with their children. - Reply to this comment
- ctothemman
What the f*u*c*k makes you think I am a republican. I am tired of people dumping into our country looking for a free ride. So go to Mexico if you want to live around these dogs. Get out of the country...go where your a$$ is wanted. - Reply to this comment
- Oneauta, YOUR JUST MAD CAUSE I TOLD YOUR A$$ WE DON'T ACCEPT SECTION 8 TENANTS, NOW BE A GOOD ILLEGAL AND POST YOUR A$$ ON ANY STREET CORNER WITH YOUR TEN FOOT HIGH PILE OF FIVE POUND BAGS OF ORANGES, AND SHUT THE F$$K UP! I'LL PICK YOU UP IN TEN HOURS!
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- The police did a good job. I still can't understand why the self-pro claimed "illegals" have any rights in this country. They should have been arrested. I'm totally confused. We do have
laws in this country. - Reply to this comment
- Teddy had it so right! Not Kennedy, but Roosevelt!
Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907:
"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something
else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907 - Reply to this comment
- Captnboost watch the movie "Z", it explains how it's done by the numbers.
NOWHITEGUILT - God forgive him for he knows not how to conduct himself in life!
If we were as pure and supportive of our neighbors to the North and South as we have claimed for the last fifty years we wouldn't have this "illegal issue" conveniently bonding those who like to spend their time on hate issues. - Reply to this comment
- DEPORT ALL ILLEGALS TO IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN!!!
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- We are a nation of Laws . . . when it serves our purpose. The spinmeisters will be on over this to explain the justification for the attack, maybe sacrifice an unpopular cop or two and in the end it will be business as usual with some slight changes. News crews will be evacuated before the "order to disperse" [forget the right to peaceful assembly] and a few convenient goons [police collaborators or undercover operatives] will initiate an "attack" against the armor shields to provide justification for "enforcing" the law.
Does human rights sound familiar and how does that play at Guantanamo? - Reply to this comment
- "only if they apply legally from their home countries..."
You can do it from the United States illegally at the risk of being deported.
"they have the right to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law...."
I never denied that.
"start enforcing our LAWS already..."
I think the subject at hand is potential police brutality. Which is the bigger crime- standing on your neighbors lawn or getting punched by the police?
"cut federal funding to all cities and churches that call themselves sanctuaries..."
churches shouldn't have federal money.
"and start fining them..."
Okay, this doesn't have anything to do with men in armor wielding sticks against unarmed innocents.
Above quotes Posted by lars008 at 01:46 PM : May 03, 2007
@tbweb at 02:03 PM : May 03, 2007:
It makes no difference that the shooter at VT was foreign born. He was a naturalized citizen. Also, the second amendment documents the right to carry arms. What in your comment has anything to do with this peaceful protest, the police, etc? - Reply to this comment
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