Comments on: Report: Black Men Mired In Social Crisis

National Urban League Says Incarceration, Unemployment And AIDS Afflict Black Males To Larger Degree

[billpl-2009]

toldyouso21
"Not just black women, (as OJ and Kobe Bryant showed us) many black males disrespect all women"

More twisted truths. OJ didn't dis' his ex-wife! He killed her. In a violent crime of passion. If you do a little research you'll find out she was the one who disrespected him. (still makes a him a murderer and pig) The shame of the whole matter is that if he did disrespect she'd probably be alive today. He would have just told her to "f*** off".

And Kobe!! and that blond white college co-ed crack smoking pile of thrash??!! What rock did you crawl out from under?

...you need to stop your profiling

[abigail70]

"Empowering black men to reach their full potential is the most serious economic and civil rights challenge we face today"

By all means, let us drop everything and focus on not only one race, but one gender. Give me a break. There are obvious serious and frightening issues facing black men in America, but to stick one race and one gender at the top of the list, over and above all other who are in just as serious crises is ridiculous. Stop with the whining already, and help people to help themselves, regardless of what race or gender they are. The sense of entitlement these days is sheerly astounding, and THAT is a crisis that knows no boundaries.

[jeny6271]

I am tired of this whole line of ***. I understand life is hard, not just for the African- American, but for everyone. The problem is that NO one wants to WORK hard for a living. The whole "I'm black and the world is unfair" is a load of ***. At least an African-American man can make a dollar as opposed to the fact that if you're a white women,you'll only make 74 cents to his dollar, and she has to raise her chidren on her own, so who has it harder? The key to changing these statistics is ACCOUNTABILITY, EDUCATION and to STOP thinking that the world owes you something just because of the color of your skin. You don't have to trust anyone other than yourself, you have to want a better life for yourself and do the WORK required to achieve your dream. toldyouso21,I think that you are very well versed and I appreciate your views, and your race is irrelevant.

[nowhiteguilt]

Mired In Social Crisis....more mindless dribble......

[toldyouso21]

CORRECTION: sorry, must have been doing new math:

let's assume that all of the people on welfare were black. with over 29 million Blacks in America that still leaves 26 million NOT on welfare.

[toldyouso21]

The welfare system stated no man could be in the kid's or woman's life--this meant to get benefits--many families split up, to keep their benefits, people could not work or have traceable income and so...only in cities such as Chicago were men allowed benefits. As for the amount of children--that was a Reaganite myth told to justify cutting the rolls. The price paid to mothers who had more than one child in Indiana went from 195.00/month to 250.00/month for 2 children. If you think that was an incentive to have a child--just do the math. The main reason women had and still have babies are many. Some to validate themselves as women, some to try to "catch and hold a man" some, just to have a part of someone they love--very few were caluculating enough to do it for money, though they did do other things for money like sell food stamps, gamble, run numbers, take odd jobs that were cash only--get a sugar daddy. Like a poster has already stated--what you may be told in the MSM or as propaganda by political parties is not always near the truth. And you must google welfare rolls now and wonder why no one on the right has bothered to tell so many that the welfare rolls in America are primarily white and that for all Americans the rolls are less than 1% of the total population.

[toldyouso21]

think the biggest reason for this situation is the Welfare state we've created which has led to the breakdown of the family. When women are 'paid' to have children, why is the father needed?Posted by HawkSprings at 11:08 PM : Apr 16, 2007
Less than 3 Million people of all races combined are on welfare these days. Most on welfare are NOT black--certain areas like Appalachia have almost entire towns on welfare due to the lack of job opportunities. Most of these people are white.But for the sake of your mind set, let's assume that all of the people on welfare were black. with over 29 million Blacks in America that still leaves 23 million NOT on welfare. Welfare did help contribute to the disintergration of families but not in the way that you think. In 1984, the welfare amount in Indiana was 195.00 for one child. The average apartment rented for 195.00. This means a woman could get just enough money to pay her rent but not enough for diapers, clothes, soap powder etc. In California, at the same time, the amount for one child was 424.00, but the average apartment in San Diego was 425.00 a month, so nobody had an incentive to make money-- The system was set up to punish people who tried to work though. If they tried to work or get a car --their benefits were slashed or cut off even if the job could not support them and their kids--

end of part 1

[toldyouso21]

Toldyouso21.

Touche' on round 2. Your analysis is very common thought amongst non blacks. ....you notice them when they ran into your own children, having a temper tantrum in aisle 3?Posted by durtyduzzin at 11:08 PM : Apr 16, 2007

Sorry, my children were never allowed to have temper tantrums, to run around stores, restaurants, never kicked seats or to handle things in stores and whatever gave you the idea that I was white? Did I say I was white? I don't think so--you assume a lot about me personally (not based on observation of my kids or me) including the alluding to the actions of my children. I have 5 children and my children and most of them are grown. My children never misbehaved in public, were on the honor roll and rarely talked back to me and never disrespected another grown up and I heard about it. As for childish expression, I would suggest the arts or another outlet. You sound like the Republicans when they try to deflect their own faults by bringing up clinton... very sad--because the truth is--my comments are dead on and you know it--you can bring up whomever you like of the white race or any other race for that matter--it will neither negate, nullify or justify the problems in the black race and that is what this particular forum is about.

[kzoomi]

I am definitely not a racist, but I get sick of hearing this same old story. How long can they blame whitey for their crime and poverty? Yes slavery was horrible, but it ended 150 years ago, its time black people take responsibility for their own actions.

Look at all the immigrants who came to this country with nothing, they worked hard and provided for their families and have subsequently flourished. Instead of selling drugs and robbing people, these struggling black men should get a job and learn how to be a productive member of society. Don't take the easy way out, work your *** off and prove to the rest of society that giving up is not an option. Be strong and stay focused on your goals. Handouts will not end this cycle of self destruction.

[mikealford3]

This "crisis" is not limited to black men. I do quite a bit of speaking to middle and high school kids and some of the things I see and hear are amazing. Not long ago I spoke to a group of high school freshmen. One of the girls in the class had a two year old child. This girl was 12 when she gave birth and if her child does the same she will be a grandmother before she's 25. I believe she said the father of her child was 18 or 19. Children having children is just not right.

I also spoke to a young black male who said he was going to be in the NBA. This kid was 4'9" tall and skinny as a rail. He had been told all his life that the only way out was to become an athlete. When I encouraged him to get an education so that "when he signs his contract" he'll be able to handle his own money, he said I was the first person to ever tell him he could go to college.

It is a shame that so many people have very little hope for the future.

[toldyouso21]

--who in the h**l have you been hanging around w/? Birds of a feather.....
Please, for your own sake, and the sake of others, stop allowing the mainstream media to totally control your "personal" opinion w/ this garbage. Posted by durtyduzzin at 10:55 PM : Apr 16, 2007


I actually have been hanging around a lot of black women, and have done so for almost 40 years. The comments I have heard are often said (as you probably know) in the hood especially when a group of women are at the beauty salon. I also grew up in a mixed neighborhood that eventually became ghetto. So this is not new and when you state that people kill their own parents--your point is what? I never made a collective statement using the word "all" your own paranoia may have you reading things into what I say. As for how well I know Blacks--I don't claim to be an expert--but I am a very observant person, and to be honest, I think we have now entered that part of the dialogue where I am to be castigated as an outsider while those on the inside, sit in denial or parse what I wrote--but it does not change the veracity of my comments/observations--and I think you know that.

[toldyouso21]

Posted by durtyduzzin at 10:55 PM : Apr 16, 2007


Please go back and re-read my posts. When you find the phrase that states "all black men" please reprint it so that I also may see it. I stated "many black men" and of course I could easily have simply stated men, but this discussion is directed towards the problems that black men are facing and from my many years of observation, it starts with many black men who have made it a badge of honor to claim to "pimp women" and it is perpetuated by the giggling masses of women, who take pride in being a part of a certain "pimps" territory. But please, don't read into my posts what is not there--I doubt I ever said all black men--because I always couch my phrases--but if you find it--I will amend it.

[hawksprings]

I think the biggest reason for this situation is the Welfare state we've created which has led to the breakdown of the family. When women are 'paid' to have children, why is the father needed?

I bet if you go and research black males and black families in the 1930's, you don't find what we have today.

[durtyduzzin]

Toldyouso21.

Touche' on round 2. Your analysis is very common thought amongst non blacks. Once again, some of your statements ring true, but are watered down w/ too much mainstream media undercurrent. You would appear to be a specialist in the analysis of the life and times of Blacks across America. Seeing Black, and being Black are two totally different things. It's like watching a sporting event. You say what you would have done in a particular scenario, but until you walk a mile in that person's shoes.....
Anyway, about these unkept, "nappy headed" kids running around the store. Did you notice them when they ran into your own children, having a temper tantrum in aisle 3? When whites do it, it's childhood mischief. When Blacks do it, it's ghetto and out of control. Many comparisons and veiwpoints can be made and had. But the truth is, you just don't know what it takes or how it feels if you're not them. Sorry, you just don't. There is a long story behind it, I'm sure you're familiar w/ it. What else can you expect from a race of people who were prohibited from learning to read up until less than a century ago? Why would you expect them to trust education?

[toldyouso21]

To many in the black community, anyone who participates in the American dream on the terms a white dominated society has dictated--is a sell out and a traitor. I have heard lots of Blacks say Oprah is "white" or an oreo and refuse to watch her show. She (in their minds) failed to keep it real. What does that mean? Keep it real? If it means being so one dimensional that you act the same no matter what situation you are faced with--that is not keeping it real--that is keeping it stagnant and rigid--not real. It is a unique perversion of human nature when a group would rather cut off their own nose and live with the results od mutilation--to try to spite another race. (Don't want to play the "man's game" don't want to use their 'government name'. Blacks have been fighting so much for so long--that even when they are the only ones in the ring--they start swinging, trying to destroy themselves. I am waiting for the day when not only rappers are called to task, but the issues of extra marital affairs, illegitimate children and the intentional failures in school and resistence to speaking English correctly are not only revealed and admitted to--but grasped, examined and addressed. By now, most Americans realize that those black people who persist in the "ghetto mindset" and activities are their own worst enemy. You cannot help someone who refuses to help themself.

[toldyouso21]

What I am saying is if Black men are in crisis--they are their own worst enemy. It starts when they disrespect themselves and consequently the women who have their children--then when they (like their dad's before them) ignore or deny their offspring and refuse to set a good example--their children grow up to repeat the cycle. show me a Black man who has been to prison and chances are high that his son will follow in his footsteps. If he beats women--probably his son will too and if he goes from woman to woman--probably his son will do the same despite seeing how it affects their mothers. They see their dads from afar and emulate them in absentia.

No one dares to say this, except Cosby-- but it is my observation that the crisis of black men is self perpetuated and 2 groups are to blame--the man who refused to be better than his father and the woman who did not respect herself enough to demand better of her child. These two groups make up the next generation, which is why many blacks still cannot speak English correctly even after though they do not have another language as an excuse and they and their ancestors have been here for almost 400 years. In fact, just on that note--I have noticed that whenever a black speaks eloquently, many other blacks resent it and declare that person is an Uncle Tom or again, a sell out.

[durtyduzzin]

O.K. There are married Black men that are faithful to there wives and love and provide for their children. Then there are those that do not. When you say things like "all Black men", you make an intelligent comment seem rather narrow minded. If you honestly believe that you can classify an entire race in one statement, I feel sorry for you. Very sorry. That's like saying all white kids have potential to kill their parents. Sounds silly, doesn't it? But I don't recall any black kids killing their own parents. Can this be considered disrespecting the origin of your own existence as well? You know, killing your parents? Guess not. That doesn't count to you? And as far as, "don't no woman own no man" --who in the h**l have you been hanging around w/? Birds of a feather.....
Please, for your own sake, and the sake of others, stop allowing the mainstream media to totally control your "personal" opinion w/ this garbage. Are some of your statements accurate. Of course. But not hardly as accurate as you would probably like to think. Let's not be so singular minded on issues such as this, O.K. Thanks.

[agnim]

"Not every teacher rapes their students, in fact the VAST majority do not. Grow up or you go to myspace.
Posted by amerigirl28 at 10:27 PM : Apr 16, 2007"

You mean the SILENT 'majority' of teachers who ENCOURAGE their fellow perverts by playing 'mum is the word' while the children are being abused and exposed to all kinds of diseases by their so-called teachers.

Instead of seeking to DEFEND THE CHILDREN, who really need the defending, your 'majority of teachers' are too busy covering their arses and excusing themselves, until their turn to **** the children while the other teachers remain silent at the children abuse!

The teachers are a HUGE DISGRACE! They are just like the perverted christians who sodomized and traumatize the children while the other christians WATCH IN SILENT SUPPORT!

[toldyouso21]

Part 2

Many of these children have no moral compass. Often they are the progeny of children who are themselves the offspring of young, single mothers. the children are often haphazardly raised, and monitored. (a better job is done if an extended family exists). I have seen so many black children, just running around in stores and on the streets, their hair unkempt (nappy headed) clothing uncared for--yelling and screaming as they run through the malls or in the grocery store. (This is not limited to black children of course). But consider that when this lack of parental attention is coupled with blacks distrust of education or many whites--they enter a lose, lose situation. When I was growing up, blacks would tease, belittle and yes, even fight those in their race who tried to learn. Such kids were accused of trying "to be white" or being oreos or sell outs. Just for trying to learn. Often, the blacks would approach hapless kids and demand they better give them their lunch money or risk getting beat up. In the school I went to--they did this to whites also--but focused primarily (as in grown up life) in terrorizing other blacks.

[agnim]

"Maybe I can lead you to the inner city and see what you think. Maybe you would learn something. After they beat the s**t out of you.
Posted by durtyduzzin at 10:11 PM : Apr 16, 2007"

Alright, so you are not really a 'teacher'; otherwise you'd know that if anybody would 'beat the chit out' of anyone, then it would most likely be the most violent mass murdering creatures who've been tormenting the planet for a few hundred years? They are not from your so-called 'inner city'. Those most violent and destructive devils are from the BURBS!

Now, that is a lesson in reality about who are the real beaters you just get taught!