Comments on: New Witness Emerges In NYC Groom Shooting

Five Cops Are Accused Of 50-Bullet Barrage That Killed Man On His Wedding Day

[whatithink-2009]

To Oimiass,

To many of these people whether what Al Sharpton says is right or wrong, they will find it wrong. I'm no big fan of his, but if the message is the truth, I don't care where it comes from.

[hypnotoad72]

And racial profiling of the jurors too? Whoa boy... I thought that was wrong. Oh well. At least nobody can claim racism (or will somebody be daring (read "dumb") and try?)

[whatithink-2009]

To HypnoToad72,

That was a load of emotional rambling.

I see no problem with saying that the man was unarmed and getting married anymore than I see a problem with saying that the woman who was mugged was 101 years old. What is the difference?

[agnim]

"As a fake witness - he's hard to credit either - if the police wanted a fake witness - why not create one far earlier? There'd be no reason to wait.

Posted by SusanHelit at 04:33 PM : Mar 15, 2007"

1. The cops just began to feel the heat. Due to their arrogance, they thought that brushing aside this criminal act would be a piece of cake!

2. Fake witnesses are harder to plant than fake guns!

3. 'Fake witnesses' TAKE A LONGER TIME TO PREP!

4. Fake witnesses/illegal residents take a longer time to provide immunity for.

Use your brains, Susan, there has to be something in that purtty little head besides mush. LOL

[ssporleder]

"The killing of Bell and the wounding of his bachelor party guests, Joseph Guzman and Trent Benefield, raised questions about police tactics and prompted vigils and protests by civil rights activists."

In San Diego the police made Swiss cheese out of a homeless man, in an intersection...holding a big stick.

They could have used one of several other means of stopping him.

These are people "trained" to take accurate shots and I do not understand why there is not one officer to be the main one to take down...not rip them to shreds, unless it is their goal to save taxpayers some money by eliminating them.

These situations appear to have no guidlines - except for a firing frenzy with a just shoot first and ask questions later attitude.

[oimiass]

To SusanHelit and like-minded people:

Sure, this new witness could be for real. Honestly, we just don't know. But if you were representing the victim, Sean Bell, wouldn't you QUESTION the witness' credibility? That's exactly what Sharpton has done, and yet you criticize him for doing exactly what you would've done.

[hypnotoad72]

Disclaimer: I know nothing of this case and I'm not going to backtrack articles. The whole article just comes across as... fascinating.

Now I see the "liberal bias" in the news. The *sob* *sob* slop about the unmarried man on his wedddddddding day in the first paragraph alone clinches it! Except it isn't a "liberal bias", it's 'psychological manipulation', or more colorfully put 'emotional masturba...'... *ahem*, I think you get the idea and it's inevitable, regardless of political party.

And the circumstantial irrelevance is the entire first paragraph. How much farther must we dig to hear anything even remotely relevant, such as the crime he alleged to commit? (The fifth paragraph!)

I'd save the circumstantial fluff for the fifth paragraph and put the relevant stuff up top. But that's just me. I like facts and loathe emotional manipulation.

The media (especially second-rate television programming of today) has done so much to overuse emotional manipulation that I'm amazed at how many people are NOT made immune to it.

And no doubt the police went overboard. Don't forget, we have kindergarteners and early teenagers doing what used to be unspeakable things in general... and definitely used to be shocking when it came to children being the prime suspects!

Where the heck is the sense of right and wrong put into kids these days, but that's another argument...

[whatithink-2009]

"Only one person here has noted that at least 2 of the 5 cops were also black (the 5th was undercover and we don't know what he is). So how has this become a race vs. race issue? "

- This is an issue about police brutality and the fact that the police feel they can treat the poor like animals if they want to. This would never have happened in a more upscale area of the city. Never.

[agnim]

"Only one person here has noted that at least 2 of the 5 cops were also black (the 5th was undercover and we don't know what he is). So how has this become a race vs. race issue?

Posted by Braniff77 at 04:24 PM : Mar 15, 2007"

It's a racist issues because of the history of the NYPD.

1. How many non-Black citizens have been gunned down recently by the NYPD, with more than enough bullets to stop and elephant?

2. Who run the NYPD, Blacks or Whites?

3. The RELATIVELY FEW Blacks in the NYPD ARE DOING THE BIDDING OF THE NYPD!

4. The relatively few Blacks in the NYPD are out there representing white interests, not Black ones.

Those are some reasons why these police killings in New York City IS RACIST!

Braniff77, race issues are way more complicated than that. light skinned vs. dark skin, uncle tom syndrome, etc.

I personally think the cops f'ed up in the heat of the moment. and want to cover their arses.

any time you screw up like that be prepared to take the heat of racial accusations etc....

[susanhelit]

As a fake witness - he's hard to credit either - if the police wanted a fake witness - why not create one far earlier? There'd be no reason to wait.

[whatithink-2009]

To Delta5243,

Let's say that the police told the truth about this. There was a gunman and he ran away. What does that have to do with firing on an unarmed car? Seems to me that the only person that died out of this was the man in the car. Unless the firing came from the car, why open fire with 50 plus bullets into the car?

dude, the police totally payed this guy to be a fake witness.

[delta5243]

To Delta5243,

What if the police were telling the truth about what?
Posted by whatithink at 04:21 PM : Mar 15, 2007

*The man told detectives he heard the crash of vehicles and ran out to see what was happening, Palladino said. The man said he saw a black male fire one or two shots at a police officer and then flee into a nearby building. The man told detectives that he also heard police officers identifying themselves as police, Palladino said.


**pretty much what the police said in the first place.

[whatithink-2009]

To oimiass,

I apologize. I think I got you confused with someone else.

[susanhelit]

Sharpton is so unconcerned about if he is right or wrong, has been on the wrong side of enough of these cases - I think you're wrong - I think he's a net negative for battling against racism. You hear Sharpton, and you think that the case must be invalid. Jesse Jackson is far more credible, but Sharpton just doesn't seem to care about truth or not. Too many people have had their trust and belief abused by him for him to be anything other than a negative.

A last minute witness definitely does lead to credibility problems - but they are sometimes real, and not all that uncommon (on either side of the fence - the last minute witness who proves a black defendant's alibi is not unknown either!). People who are afraid to come forward wait until the last minute because they hope someone else will come forward, and they won't have to. Sad fact is that being a witness means someone may want to kill you to silence you - fear is not surprising - no matter which side the witness supports.

[whatithink-2009]

To Delta5243,

You just answered your previous question. Blacks in America have had a far worse experience with police officers than you have had with Al Sharpton. I'm not sure what he has personally done to you. But, if it is enough to lose credibility, I'd suggest you take a long history review of police-African American relations from slavery to present. That might answer why the credibility has been lost...if it ever existed.

[whatithink-2009]

To Delta5243,

You just answered your previous question. Blacks in America have had a far worse experience with police officers than you have had with Al Sharpton. I'm not sure what he has personally done to you. But, if it is enough to lose credibility, I'd suggest you take a long history review of police-African American relations from slavery to present. That might answer why the credibility has been lost...if it ever existed.

[braniff77]

Only one person here has noted that at least 2 of the 5 cops were also black (the 5th was undercover and we don't know what he is). So how has this become a race vs. race issue?
For those of you not from the NY area, you should know that Rev. Sharpton is always on the side of the victims, and never the police.

[oimiass]

Whatithink,

Ithink you haven't read my earlier comments. I'll repost them for you to see. I was just responding to Susan Helit's challenge that the police were justified for shooting at Bell & Co. because they tried to run them down...

From me, earlier:

Let's keep the discussion fair and balanced. Racist comments indicate a lack of capacity for intelligent argument. The widely accepted facts are as follows:

1. A man in his car is shot at 50+ times by nonuniformed police officers.
2. No weapon was found on the man.
3. No eyewitness comes forward despite wide coverage of the shooting for several weeks.
4. Suddenly, as a grand jury inquest winds down, some guy shows up and says he knows what happened.