Comments on: General Won't Apologize For Gays Comment

Gen. Peter Pace Said Homosexuality Is "Immoral" And The Military Should Not Condone It

[guysdigdirt]

To refresh, sexuality is innate. No one makes a choice as to whether they are straight or gay. Sexual attraction is something one realizes upon puberty or soon after. If you are bisexual, there is a fork in the road. Some may choose both sides, but that is a choice nonetheless. And pedophilia is the result of other deep seated problems and most often the perpetrators have been abused while young themselves.
Posted by scott4261
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I read this the first time you offered it as your opinion, I am just not sure myself as to how it all works. I am not saying you are wrong, i was just trying to get whats-his-name that starts with a Z to give his opinion, but he had to go accusing me and assuming stuff, not a good idea.

[scott4261]

guysdigdirt,

I'm not saying that anyone should rely on a theologeon, but sin is sin. And I don't want to get into a debate here on that level, because then you are getting into denominational semantics and we could argur 'til the cows come home.

I'm moving on to another thread. See you later....

[zoroastor]

As you have never seen me, you must be pretty darned confident that you could give me a bloody nose. I wouldn't count on it.
And since you said I was full of ***, I'm not convinced my rebutal wasn't justified.

[armjdm]

Scott4261,
I love my family member very much. Thank you for asking. Love without boundaries, however, is not real love. Because I love my children, I show them the boundaries. Even Jesus said, "If you love Me, keep my commandments." God loves us unconditionally. He allows us to make our own choices in this world and He will love us despite where we end up in the next. What's more loving: To tell your friend or loved one that they are making a mistake that has not only consequences in this life but consequences in the next or to say nothing? Don't you want to know that there is a God who loves you just the way you are and who is willing to give you the power to change?

[guysdigdirt]

'm not particularly proud of my resume. If I was, I would have started with it. I post it because my integrity, "manliness" and intellect have been called into question. I am also always a little offended when "men" who have never had the nerve to serve, call me a f@g apologist.

It is the f@ggots who ARE FEARFUL and should be fearful; because if you fail to remain in your closet until there is a cure, who can guarantee what might happen to any f@ggot? Who will vouch for the safety of f@ggots in the general society?

Zomorastor, you are an arse, and that no doubt comes about from you associating with too much filthy arse.
Posted by Agnim at 01:29 PM : Mar 14, 2007


Posted by Zoroastor
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I fully agree with you there, what I was trying to say is you present, with the exception of the pedophile post, reasonably well thought out and delineated arguments as opposed to the arse that flew off the handle at you. We all know those when we see them.

[scott4261]

Zoroastor,

I'm leaving too. Not because I can't deal with them (I can and have my entire life), but because other big sories are in the news today and I would like to move on to another thread. They can continue their mental ************ (pardon the pun) by themselves.

[zoroastor]

Okay, what are you, a Mormon? There's nothing wrong with it if you are, but it would mean we have a different starting place. This is what the churchin which I am ordained (Church of God) believes ALL sin is equal in God's eyes and there is only one heaven. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with your faith, but we obviously can't use that as a point of contention between us.
So let's agree that we will never convince each other on that point.

[guysdigdirt]

Zoroastor,
If you read the forum you would know why I asked the question. If you assume anything you are an ***. If you said that to my face you would be looking up at me with a bloody nose, I feel the same about them as you do and I am sure you would react the same as I just stated i would. I just wanted to know the answer you might give on the choice question, if you were to read more than your own posts here you might know how I really feel about it all.

[scott4261]

"Men should not have *** with men" written in red in the Bible.
Posted by armjdm at 01:50 PM
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Actually, in my Bible and in any that I've seen, the only words in red are the words of Jesus, and he never mentions it.

[guysdigdirt]

Zoroastor,
It is easier than that. If all sins are equal in His eyes, why are there 3 degrees of heaven?

But let's go into your questions.
Did you know of the gospel of Christ? Did you have an opportunity to accept it? Did you know it was true and turn your back on it? Did you repent of that lie you told?

Did you live your life in a way you knew was against the teachings of Christ with the intent to repent on your deathbed? Just accepting Christ in word but not action is not accepting Christ.

scott, he is wrong, all sins are not the same His eyes. Billy Graham is not, in mho, someone to rely on for gospel interpretation. The Bible does state there are different degrees of heaven, why would that be necessary. There are other things also but I do not have my sticks with me right now.

[zoroastor]

Scott,
Sorry to leave you with this motley crew, but I can no longer summon the energy to entertain them. It's pointless. They have no real argument, only faulty logic and opinions borne of hate and ignorance. That is why they so often resort to angry, name-calling rants.
armdj - Your husband huh? Well, I was in the military. There are already so many *** in uniform doing their jobs and doing them well that you would be astounded. They just don't come out. So how is it the mission is being affected? The same argument was made against women and blacks in the military. Read a history book.

And I went to a private Christian school, so I'm not sure which institution it was that got to me and twisted my thinking. Was it the Church or the Army? Maybe it was Seminary.

[scott4261]

Anyone who goes around condoning/promoting societally worthless behaviors, which have been a means of sodomizing and traumatizing children and spreading the deviance and perversion in western/christian societies above all other societies on the planet, earn themselves no respect!
Posted by Agnim at 01:53 PM
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Bonehead, no one is condoneing pedophilia here (certainly not me). And over 99% of g a y s are NOT pedophiles, just as more than 99% of strights are not. But you are going to belive what you want.

I'm just asking not to be called names, becuase I will treat you with respect and I expect the same from you.

[scott4261]

armjdm,

Same as everyone else. One to a bunk. We are talking about the military, not a college dorm. No one is asking for a change in the Military Code of Conduct. And let me sak you this: do you love and accept your gay fmily member, or do you treat him or her with distain and a lack of respect?

[agnim]

"Point is, let's treat each other with the dignity and respect that we each deserve as human beings.

Posted by scott4261 at 01:37 PM : Mar 14, 2007"

Wherever are those condoning and promoting deviance, perversion and other wrongdoings 'deserving of respect and dignity'?

You think prison is a place for dignified and respected people or for wrongdoers?

Anyone who goes around condoning/promoting societally worthless behaviors, which have been a means of sodomizing and traumatizing children and spreading the deviance and perversion in western/christian societies above all other societies on the planet, earn themselves no respect!

Unfortunately you have been mis-educated after all those years in those institutions. And that's just too bad; because it does again point to the horrendous failure of our mis-educational system when an American can get a so-called masters degree, yet has no sense of the basic human virtues governing effective human behavior!

[armjdm]

General Pace is right. Homosexuality has no place in the military. I feel I can speak on this issue because unlike most people my husband is in the military and I have a close family member who is gay. Due to the nature of the mission military members must live very close to one another. We do not allow men and women to share sleeping quarters because we do not want to encourage sexual behaviors. If homosexuals were allowed to serve openly, how would we coordinate the sleeping arrangements? Do they sleep with the females? How uncomfortable is that! Some people are bisexual. I don't think we can arrange for everyone to sleep by themselves! Additionally, homosexuality is immoral. You will not find "Men should not have *** with men" written in red in the Bible. BUT, Jesus did give His plan for what a family should look like: "A man (male) shall leave his father (male) and mother (female) and cleave to his wife (female)". It's only when we mess with God's natural design of one man and one woman for life that we destroy the fabric of society. Just look at abortion, divorce, adultery, etc. I'm sure God looks at America and is very sad. If we could only see things His way.

[scott4261]

guysdigdirt,

To refresh, sexuality is innate. No one makes a choice as to whether they are straight or gay. Sexual attraction is something one realizes upon puberty or soon after. If you are bisexual, there is a fork in the road. Some may choose both sides, but that is a choice nonetheless. And pedophilia is the result of other deep seated problems and most often the perpetrators have been abused while young themselves.

[zoroastor]

I'm not particularly proud of my resume. If I was, I would have started with it. I post it because my integrity, "manliness" and intellect have been called into question. I am also always a little offended when "men" who have never had the nerve to serve, call me a f@g apologist.

It is the f@ggots who ARE FEARFUL and should be fearful; because if you fail to remain in your closet until there is a cure, who can guarantee what might happen to any f@ggot? Who will vouch for the safety of f@ggots in the general society?

Zomorastor, you are an arse, and that no doubt comes about from you associating with too much filthy arse.
Posted by Agnim at 01:29 PM : Mar 14, 2007

[zoroastor]

No. I'm not a psychologist. It doesn't take one to have common sense.
I never said pedophiles choose or don't choose what they do. I'm not even sure how you make the connection, other than you find both homosexuality and pedophilia repulsive. I do believe that they are sick - which doesn't mean I don't think they should be punished. I do. Anyone with a mental illness has at least LIMITED control of their actions. And, again, if you think it is entirely a choice, I can only assume it is because it is a choice that YOU have at some point made.

[scott4261]

Zoroastor wrote
ANY sin is equal in God's eyes.
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You are wrong.
Posted by guysdigdirt at 01:31 PM
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Begging to differ, but he is right. Consult your Bible if you doubt that. Or read the writings of any respected theologeon, such as Billy Graham.

[guysdigdirt]

Zoroastor, I am sure you are very proud of your resume, no one else is. There is no substantiation of it so it will not get you a lot of respect here.

Your opinions will be respected as you usually make a fair argument, although you are wrong in your assumptions sometimes.