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Space Agency Will Evaluate Its Psychological Screening Following Love Triangle Arrest

[anvilheadsix]

Poor Oefelein, neither of these women is anything to get worked up over.

[migrainegram]

There are three sides to every story:

1. His
2. Hers
3. The Truth

[agnim]

"She needs a doctor, not a prison.

Posted by tuckerndfw at 02:05 PM : Feb 07, 2007"

Ha ha!
Why can't she have BOTH a doc and a prison cell? LOL

[jabberwock11]

On second thought she probably doesn%u2019t know what "owned" means in the internet sense and took it literally.

[prontopronto]

Great. I laughed.
Proof in point.
A mind that is closed is a mind that is closed.
Discussion over?
You betcha!

[jabberwock11]

She was owned long long ago.

[dogsoul]

...not to be taken literally as it might offend your misandrist leanings but after reading your last response...

consider yourself...

owned

end of discussion

[prontopronto]

You still haven't addressed to issue of how Lisa Nowak treated her husband.

What difference does that make?

Seems to me that however poorly her single boytoy may have treated HER - it most likely pales in comparison to the betrayal of a 19 year marriage & family that she laid at the feet of her husband.
What difference does that make?
Of course, we live in a society where women get a free pass to treat men with contempt & disrespect. They can lie, cheat, & assault all they want because of some misguided sense that it's their birthright to exact revenge on men.
Hmmmmmm. Really? Where is that?

Women love to gossip about affairs, romanticizing them saying 'you go girl' & the like....
Not where I live.

Society loves to support the idea that men are just brutish louts to be toyed with & controlled by women...
I never saw or heard anything like that.

can you sense my sarcasm???
I don't think you're being sarcastic, more like scared. They both start with "s".

If it was getting under your skin, that means you're learning something about why sexism is wrong... keep learning. Yes sexism is wrong. Thanks for sharing. I'm glad we agree.
High five!!!

[jabberwock11]

%u201CProving in a blog about a newsy item that sexism exists or is the "cause" of what Nowak did is ridiculous, what I've been remarking on is that I'll bet Nowak was treated to some nasty.%u201D

How would you know? Maybe she%u2019s the nasty one? The evidence points more in that direction. She becomes separated from her husband and without a few weeks get%u2019s involved in this love scandal, appently with a man she has known for quite some time. By here own admission she her relation ship was more than a working relationship and less than a romantic relationship. It sounds like she simply became infatuated with him. So I%u2019m sorry you%u2019ll have to do better than %u201CI%u2019ll bet%u201D if you wish to establish that she was on the receiving end of bad treatment.

%u201CI argue that there's a sexist subtext in our morality that says it is okay that men treat women badly. %u201C

I argue that that%u2019s BS. Some men treat women badly, just as some women treat men badly. Maybe it%u2019s your view reflects your personal experience because of the type of man you are attracted to. I don%u2019t know.

%u201CSomeone done somebody wrong, and it wasn't all Nowak.%u201D

Again, you don%u2019t know. It may well have been all Nowak. It may simply be a case of unrequited love.

[zeekylord]

Space madness!

[dogsoul]

You still haven't addressed to issue of how Lisa Nowak treated her husband. Seems to me that however poorly her single boytoy may have treated HER - it most likely pales in comparison to the betrayal of a 19 year marriage & family that she laid at the feet of her husband. Of course, we live in a society where women get a free pass to treat men with contempt & disrespect. They can lie, cheat, & assault all they want because of some misguided sense that it's their birthright to exact revenge on men. Women love to gossip about affairs, romanticizing them saying 'you go girl' & the like.... Society loves to support the idea that men are just brutish louts to be toyed with & controlled by women... can you sense my sarcasm??? If it was getting under your skin, that means you're learning something about why sexism is wrong... keep learning.

[prontopronto]

Proving in a blog about a newsy item that sexism exists or is the "cause" of what Nowak did is ridiculous, what I've been remarking on is that I'll bet Nowak was treated to some nasty. I'm afraid it just looks like she ended up imperiling herself and others for no good reason, other than an over-response (way over) to some pretty standard, garden variety relationship nonsense as dispensed quite often by one to another in this world. I argue that there's a sexist subtext in our morality that says it is okay that men treat women badly. Saying it ain't so is just buffoonery. No one said Nowak shouldn't have known better, or shouldn't pay for her crime, I said looking into the story may prove there were mitigating factors and justice should be tempered with mercy.
When the facts are out there'll be some skullduggery somewhere. Someone done somebody wrong, and it wasn't all Nowak. Just that the world doesn't care much about the bad things people do to one another, unless it's a juicy bit like this. Watch the movie Ryan's Daughter for an example of some good solid sexism. There's a good tar and feathering scene in that film.
Just another cad being bad and a woman being had.

[jabberwock11]

%u201CAre you really suggesting that the world is a level playing field for all?%u201D

No I%u2019m suggesting that as far as we can tell the world was a more than a fair playing field for this woman and she simply blew it. All your speculation about sexism is just that, speculation. There isn%u2019t even any evidence to point towards it as of yet.

%u201Cmaybe she was motivated by some outrageous behavior by men%u201D

And maybe it was motivated by aliens. You have no evidence either way.

[jabberwock11]

"It's the world that endorses men being bad to women that is sexist."

Again sexism exists, but it is not the entire "world" that endorses "men being bad to women". Also it has nothing to do with this case unless you are going to claim that a man would get less severe treatment for the same crime which I seriously doubt. It seems to me you have just come here to rant about men treating women badly when in fact it is a woman that has committed the crime. Also for all we know it was without provocation. What is your point?

[prontopronto]

C'mon, be brave. Are you really suggesting that the world is a level playing field for all? When it comes to romantic love - and this seems to be a sad example of love gone bad and rejected party gone bonkers...well, let's see. No one is suggesting that justice not be blind and dispensed equally upon the guilty whatever their sad stories. I'm suggesting that suspicions creep into this "blind" justice that maybe she was motivated by some outrageous behavior by men, and that this behavior is often turned a blind eye to as being the bastion of maleness. And the sky isn't blue.
High five!

[jabberwock11]

"You blokes aren't interested in learning or changing. It's fun being you."

You are the one trying to parlay this story into a global statement on sexism. This forum applies to a specific incident. If you are going to expand it to included sexism then you have to provide some evidence to such a connection, not broad rambling statements about the state of the world. If you want me to admit sexism exists, fine I admit it. However you still need to show how this is at all applicable to the discussion at hand.

[prontopronto]

I'll bet you hear this stuff quite often, because you're hanging around with women who are speaking up for themselves and pointing out a longstanding discrepency in moral codes and standards. Sure, Nowak crossed the line...but isn't what she did pretty ***-less in nature. There's a whole lot instances where men behaved just like Nowak. That's not my point. What I was saying that it's not Nowak's response that is sexist. It's the world that endorses men being bad to women that is sexist.
Next time a woman complains that it's a man's world give her the old high five and tell her she doesn't know what she's talking about. That really works!!!

[dogsoul]

"...if you don't think that bad interpersonal behavior from men is excused...then you don't see..."

So you're okay with sexism, so long as it's against men - who YOU see as deserving of these kinds of stereotypes based on their general behavior. I do see & hear many women like yourself who attempt to justify such sexist remarks because they feel it's accurate sexism - or the 'right kind' of sexism. I would also submit that despite your belief to the contrary, the market on 'bad interpersonal behavior' is by no means cornered by men. We've ALL seen women be nothing short of BRUTAL towards eachother, AND men... In fact, I'd be curious how Lisa Nowak's husband might feel on the subject. What IS different, however, is that many women such as yourself will actually attempt to justify bad interpersonal behavior towards men on the basis of a sort of historical *** for tat... Men in history treated women in history badly - therefore men today deserve to get treated badly by women today. It's an interesting form of rationalization, but one I hear quite often nonetheless. Bottom line is that your premise is weak. You feel entitled to be sexist against males in exactly the way that you complain of men feeling an entitled to be sexist toward females. In other words, you are... no different... and no better.

[prontopronto]

mnelsonix made me laugh.
Really. I laughed. Funny how perpetual pumping of testosterone into a man's veins is never sited as a hormonal cause for behavior. Hmmmm. Lots of peculiar clues to how people think and their ingrained bias. What we take for granted as natural.
Stick together. It's a good club. Lotsa high fives!!!

[prontopronto]

Jabberwock has me shakin in me boots. Get out of here! I'm not going to research examples of sexism or try to be fact based, on a blog about a news item. What I am doing is pointing out that men have been getting away with being nasty to women for a long time. Women have been nasty to men too...but stating that some cases won against sexual harassment and then the cute little teaser about women getting into nightclubs for free...just a bore.
You blokes aren't interested in learning or changing. It's fun being you.