Comments on: Missing N.C. Twin Toddlers Found

Biological Mother Is Accused Of Kidnapping 17-Month-Old Kids From Adoptive Parents, Taking Them To Canada

[agnim]

"I agree with Agnim, mothers should have help and not presure to give up their babies unless things
are really bad.

Posted by liz_ at 11:23 PM : Dec 30, 2006"

And if she changes her mind, she should have them back!

A new mother may not have been pressured from outside to give up her children; but she may have felt TEMPORARILY burdened from inside!

Healthy females are 'designed' with special qualities of affinity for her offspring; otherwise the species could not continue.

However, that affinity can be disrupted for all kinds of reasons, internal/external.
And this disruption is an indication that MANY NEW MOTHERS IN OUR DYSFUNCTIONAL SOCIETIES WILL NEED EXTRA HELP!

[agnim]

"Legally, the birth mother has no right to those children. For whatever reason, she CHOSE to give them up for adoption.

Posted by liz_ at 11:23 PM : Dec 30, 2006"

BIRTHING CHILDREN GIVES A MOTHER INALIENABLE RIGHTS TO THEM!

For whatever CONDITIONS OF HARDSHIP that may have caused a mother to waiver, she can never be truly separated from those rights.

Being a mother is not about narrow-minded human laws!
Birthing children is about Natural Laws.

Good adoptive parents will understand the above facts, and will understand that THE OWNER OF THE CHILDREN may come to re-stake her claims at anytime.

Adoptive parents who can't understand what motherhood means should go SCREW FOR THEIR OWN CHILDREN, and learn; because they are definitely not ready to be trusted to care for OTHER PEOPLE'S CHILDREN!

Adopting children is not like taking in pets or some inanimate object.

Adopting parents should know that
CHILDREN COME WITH PARENTS AND PARENT ISSUES!

Liz, you are coming across as a barren female with a dead womb?

[hermit22]

Where is the father?

I agree with Agnim, mothers should have help and not presure to give up their babies unless things
are really bad.

Who knows what the situation is with this birth, but this culture needs to clean up on all the illigetimate lifestyles.

For a man to produce children that he does not take care of is worse than robbing the bank.

There are so many kids craving to be adopted, why do people push so hard to take kids that have a mother? unless she is cruel or something.

Often parents with money are worse parents than poor people who really love their children. Like: "the cats in the cradle....I'm gonna be just like you Dad...." gone.

[anonbychoice]

Everyone has good and bad points here. But those of you that say "giving birth" doesn't make you a parent... then what makes someone that doesn't give birth one? No child comes with instructions and I don't remember there being a parents manual. If there is, more than likely it was written by a childless person.
Her taking the children the way she did was wrong, I agree with that. She should have gone the legal route. If she felt pressured, fight it thru the same system that gave her that pressure.
And to the person that said "You think that just the act of making a baby makes you a mother or a father????" I don't care if those children were 16 years old, they may not "legally" be hers but they will ALWAYS be hers. There is nothing in this world that would EVER break that bond. Not adoption, you, not even death. So her giving birth may not make YOU a mother but it *** sure made her one. Did you die so they could breathe?
There's always 3 sides to every story, Her's, Theirs and the TRUTH. And last I none of us were God....but he knows where the truth is.

[liz_]

In response to Agnim's asinine statement:

Legally, the birth mother has no right to those children. For whatever reason, she CHOSE to give them up for adoption. Legally, that requires a voluntary surrender of her parental rights to those children. To the best of my knowledge, all states have a "waiting period" before an adoption is finalized to allow a birth mother to change her mind, usually 90 days.

Also, look at this from the perspective of the two children: They're toddlers, and to them, their adoptive parents are the only parents they know.
When they cry and ask for "Mommy," you can be quite sure it's not their birth mother they're asking for.

[agnim]

"You think that just the act of making a baby makes you a mother or a father???? You must be crazy.

Posted by klosinski1 at 10:11 PM : Dec 30, 2006"

Actually, you are the one who is not just crazy, but asinine and arrogant too.

Mother Nature decides who can be mother and father. And that is always going to be fine with those who are wise.
If you in you 'infinite' wisdom think you know better, then take it up with Mother Nature.

All those other cases you mention HAVE NO RELEVANCE TO THIS ONE!

It is not said that this mother was on drugs or any such nonsense!
And even if that were the case, NEW MOTHERS NEED HELP, not loss of their babies!

In some countries, they are paying women good monies just to have babies.

As rich a country as America is, we can do better by new mothers who may be having one kind of problem or another. Being heartless to new mothers is definitely not the way to go.

[klosinski1]

"Such persons need to go screw and have babies of their own so that they can realize what it takes to make a mother."

You think that just the act of making a baby makes you a mother or a father???? You must be crazy. I work as a Labor and delivery nurse, and everyday I see babies that need to be given up for adoption, but the mothers' just want them so much. Birth mothers whose boyfriends are selling crack out of the room the mother is laboring in! Families who can't stop cussing and yelling at each other long enough for the birth. Mothers giving birth at age 26 to their 10th baby, and they don't have custody of any of the others! And we wonder why the children today are so screwed up.

[agnim]

"She stole the child from the legally adoptive parents, it's really just that simple, the woman is a criminal and deserves punishment that fits the crime, say 7 to 10 in prison.
Posted by ObiWan234 at 03:28 PM : Dec 30, 2006"

That is utterly stupid!
One can't steal children of whom she gave birth. Duh!

Let the adoptive people go screw and have their own children!

The NEW mother has a change of heart; and that's more than reasonable!
And any person adopting who can't understand that possibility shouldn't be adopting.

Such persons need to go screw and have babies of their own so that they can realize what it takes to make a mother.

The babies should be returned to the mother; and if anything give her the kind of assistance she needs to be able to care for her child.

Real mothers just can't turn off the motherly 'instincts' unless they have an illness of one kind or another!

buffalo_jill


family loves you. They will lie, distort the truth or fail to face reality in the name of love. If she was pressured, that's horrible. Her sister however is the wrong authority because her loyalty obviously goes toward the sister. Those kids were legally adopted. The law had visitation set up and that is why the FBI joined the case. They would not have done this for an adoption that was illegal, they were enforcing the law.

As an adoptive parent of a now 8-year old, birth parents perfectly understand their situation and they can kill the hearts of adoptive parents

my daughter's birth mother spent a whole year 'deciding' to give her up. She was in foster care with us, and her mother would call every month and say "i think I want her" and then "i think I'm going to get my stuff together and take care of her"

we loved and cared for that baby all on our own and she tortured us for a year before the state finally took away her rights so we could have her.

cantshutup

the adoption had been completed. She changed her mind. She lost that right when she signed the papers. Just because you give birth to a child doesn't mean your the best parent. That is why adoption exists. She ought to be ashamed of herself. She is ruining these children's lives because she can't get her act together.

[buffalo_jill]

"Agnim, you know nothing about this situation .. there was no information about why the children were place up for adoption, if she was a surrogate or whatever the case may "

I thought themother's sister said that 1) The "adoptive parents" (it was said the adoption wasn't final yet) pressured the mother into giving them up, constantly telling her she was too old, helping her with some problem(?), among other things. 2) The mother changed her mind within 12 hours, which is within the legal time frame.
Yes, I feel bad for the "adoptive parents" but if what they've been saying is true, then those babies grew inside her for nine months.... she gave birth to them, they are hers.

[cantshutup]

I thought the adoption wasn't actually legal yet...And besides according to her story she was overcome with remorse for trying to adopt them out in the first place...HELLO??? She gave birth to them, they are hers and that's all there is to it...

[obiwan234]

Agnim;

You wrote: "the heartless fools are going about making a criminal of the children's mother."

The woman you write about is truly the biological mother, however no one, [including the so called "heartless fools"]is making her a criminal, she did that all by herself. She was wrong on many levels. She stole the child from the legally adoptive parents, it's really just that simple, the woman is a criminal and deserves punishment that fits the crime, say 7 to 10 in prison.

[klosinski1]

They are not her children. They were legally adopted. She was fortunate to have the ability to visit them and took advantage of that. You never know the emotional distress that the kidnapper may have felt. She have done like others have done before, and kill the children rather than let anyone else have them. The children needed to be reunited with their parents.

[linfinster]

Agnim, you know nothing about this situation .. there was no information about why the children were place up for adoption, if she was a surrogate or whatever the case may be. But clearly, (and she is not "new" those kids are over 1) she was going against the law, what about the family she stole those children from? You think they deserve that happening to them? Thier anguish isn't worth the efforts of law enforcement? What if that mother had been deemed dangerous? Is the children's safety not worth police intervention?

[agnim]

It's a crying shame that a new mother has to be going through all of this insanity and asinine arrest OVER HER OWN CHILDREN!

Why don't the authorities go out and solve real crimes and so give the appearance that they are good for something? Tsk-tsk

Instead of giving a new mother the right kind of assistance in her time of need, the heartless fools are going about making a criminal of the children's mother.