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[jdweymouth]

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4)If George Bush did something worthy of a war crimes trial, then he should be tried here because of the above reasons. However, whether he did or not, he's our president and we should stand behind him when foreign powers try to turn us against him.
5)I did not say you're a traitor. I merely resent your implication that we started this escapade (i.e. just maybe, WE'RE the greatest threat to world peace...?). Our embassy in Tehran was captured, and that's where it all began.

[jdweymouth]

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Descartes13: I agree there is a rule of cause and affect, but in response to your arguments....
1)The U.N. get its power from the U.S. It is as useless as the League of Nations, and despite our diplomatic exterior: our government will never completely bow to the wishes of a foreign organization. Many Americans are fed up with the uselessnes of the U.N.
2) Because the United States does not recognize the international court of justice, or the World Court: unless of their own free will, no American can be forced to go before a foreign court. Because... U.S. constitution Article III, Section 1, clause 1; "Judicial Power of the United State, shall be vested in one supreme court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain." The Constitution forbids the establishment of a court higher than the Supreme Court for use in proceedings against its citizens.
3)Yes, terrorists join Al Quieda for a reason. The reason they join is because they want to spread Islam by any means they can. Terror attacks began in the 70s, but before than the west had left the Arab world alone. To use a childish term: they started it.

[descartes13-2009]

From globalpolicy.org :
Bush and Saddam Should Both Stand Trial, Says Nuremberg Prosecutor.
A prosecutor of Nazi war crimes at Nuremberg, Benjamin Ferenccz, believes Bush%u2019s aggressive war in Iraq constitutes a %u201Cwar crime%u201D capable of prosecution in an international court. No nation can use armed force without UN Security Council permission.
You said that Al-Qaeda attacked us without provocation. Define provocation...?
Although I too was horrified that day, the fact is, a lot of what led to the attack on 9/11 is rooted in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, as well as the radical Islamic movement that took place in Iran, with the fall of the Shah of Iran.
What I'm saying is that there is always cause and effect at play on the world stage.
To say that we were attacked without provocation is to imply that Al-Qaeda came together as a terrorist organization for no reason at all.
There's always a reason for anything that happens. Of course, that doesn't mean that their contemptible act was at all justified.
I noticed at the end of your comments the very thing I had mentioned earlier: that dissidents, during a time of war, tend to be treated as suspect; as possibly, disloyal.
And once again, as dissidents often have to do in such circumstances, I'm forced to say the obvious: Dissidents love their country too; it is by trying to get the masses to see when their country is making serious errors that we express our patriotism.

[jdweymouth]

Descartes13: As I said, the reason they hate us is not because of our foreign policy. I don't care two cents for world peace, because sometimes 'peace' is just another word for surrender. We are not the biggest threat to world peace, because we were not the ones who first, without provocation, attacked and killed 3,000 innocent people. Call me a fearmonger. George Bush doesn't go around showing polls and reports about how insecure we are: the (liberal) media does.
Did you know there's no such thing as an illegal war? That's the reason we have war. If you follow the rules of declaring war (a declaration of war 30 minutes before an attack), a war is legal, also you have to follow the rules of war against uniformed regular army. Insurgents, and guerillas don't count. We fought the Iraqi army under Saddam by the rules of war.
Bush lied? How do you know? Because CBS, CNN, ABC says so? Even if he did lie, we are serving a useful purpose ther: we took down a facist dictator, and freed 25 million people. The insurgency is discouraging, but, as to all good things, to all bad things there is an end. If we leave behing a government that can control its army, its people, and its defence: then we've succeeded. There has been marked improvement; Kurdistan is completely secured along with 3 other provinces.
If we're so terrible, and they so innocent: pack your bags, move to Saudi Arabia, and stay there.

[descartes13-2009]

Wow...the Muslims, Europeans, and Asians hate us...
It's kinda like what happened with Nazi Germany: everybody hated them too.
Hmm what caused that to happen?
Oh, right--the Nazies invaded Poland on the flimsiest of excuses.
Come to think of it, how DID the Nazi leadership get the germans and austrians behind them?
By convincing the civilians that they were in mortal danger! And then going after the dissidents; the ones who vainly cried out that there is no reason to wage war. They called the dissidents cowards! They questioned their loyalty and patriotism!
Gosh, if it's true that the muslims, europeans, and asians hate us, then maybe, just maybe, WE'RE the greatest threat to world peace...?
Geez, even Hitler was more honest than Bush and his cronies: when Hitler wanted to make a new law enabling the german government to conduct wiretaps and to spy on the civilian population in a myriad of other ways as well, he named it "The Enabling Act."
While here and now, the same law, basically speaking, is called "The Patriot Act!"
Dang...at least Hitler was more honest about it...

[jdweymouth]

You sit there screaming QUAGMIRE! NO DRAFT! SAVE MY CHILDREN! That is just what our leaders are trying to do!!! Can't you see that??!! The Moslems hate us, Europeans hate us, and Asians hate us. Why? Not because of ur foreign policy, but because we're rich, powerful, and if the United States fell: there would be a second dark age. They hate us for it. If you don't want to fight, I understand. We need civilians too, but sometimes we must sacrifice our dreams, pick up a gun, and kill fight as well as die for our country. Long live the Republic! Death to all those who would do it harm!

[olgreyghost]

Has anyone noticed that Bush, a neocon globalist, has more in common than in contention with Pelosi, an avowed socialist? Me thinks the Republicans were keeping Bush in check and hopefully the moderate, conservative, and libertarian members of both parties can continue the same...

[randalds]

Wireferee, do you sincerely think a draft will divide the country? A draft might just be the one single thing that will unite this great nation. Without the draft you might just as well been speaking in German or vietnamese Wireferee, have you registered?

Posted by annd2302 at 09:07 PM : Dec 22, 2006

The draft most likely unite most of the country, but it will be against this war and not for military service. And this "speaking German or Vietnamese" line is an old joke! the vast majority of servicemen and women from the US during WWII were volunteers! And we LOST the war in Vietnam and it's not like we got invaded militarily. The only people speaking Vietnamese here are the immigrants from there.

Oh and wireferee can't serve, drafted or not, because he's an openly ga*y man and the religious zealots in American don't want g*ay men because they're afraid someone might frighten them by seeing them naked. Being afraid of serving with a g*ay is the height of cowardice in my book.

[kphx]

Come on, the The Emperor George and his coterie is infallible. Let them protect us from the evils of this world. We need to conquer everybody, before they can hurt us. How can we do that ? A huge army. What is the answer ? DRAFT. Come on, don't these subjects of George understand this. All he is doing his protect his subjects. But the subjects are not smart enough to understand this. The subject don't know the whole world is against them and are going to hurt them, if they are not conquered an put under our rule. Go Emperor Goerge.

[descartes13-2009]

Oh, and one more thing...we're always hearing about the nearly 3,000 U.S. servicemen who have died in Iraq, but you don't hear much about how many Iraqi civilians have died since our illegal invasion.
Up to 650,000 Iraqi civilians have died since -- but hey, who cares? They're not fully human like us! They don't have families; they don't have any loved ones.
And now good King George wants to send in more troops -- he wants to make it a cool million; otherwise, it doesn't count as a proper war!