Comments on: Mukasey To Congress: You Say It First

By Refusing To Say Waterboarding Is Torture, Justice Nominee Puts the Ball In Congress' Court

[toolmangler-2009]

I almost agree but I think it''''s legitimate for lawmakers to question how he interprets the existing laws.
Posted by abbe91 at 09:28 AM : Nov 05, 2007



I kinda agree with that but only to the point that he would or would not enforce the laws (whatever they are). I leave personal beliefs to the holder as long as they don''t interfere whit his job.

[toldyouso21]

''''d rather think the point is to have existing laws enforced. There is a procedure for that purpose. It''''s called impeachment. Impeach these "roaches" before they carry through another 9/11-Northwoods to murder any amount of Americans, as somebody said before.

Posted by abbe91 at 09:11 AM : Nov 05, 2007


Yeah get rid of Bush and company before he pulls a Musharref on us, right? Finally filling those Halliburton secret prisons with "terrorists"= all the people who oppose Bush''s and the GOP''s continued rule.

[toldyouso21]

I was taught that anyone in government who believed a practice to be immoral or illegal--no matter what the prevailing law said--was obligated to not obey that law or superiors who enforced such a law. since WWII--we have been holding soldiers and others accountable for the acts of torture or genocide they engaged in. We did it to Germans and the Japanese even before laws governing their specific acts were made up. The rationale at the time was that any "decent human being" should have known the actions were immoral, and illegal and should never have done them--no matter the local laws enacted by Germany that said they could and that they had immunity.

Congress should declare waterboarding illegal. Those who wish to go on record in support of it would be known and those who practiced it in the past--should have known better--hiding behind laws of evil men, do not excuse others of evil acts. We all know what torture is and we all know it is unChristian, unAmerican and perverted. We also know the results are questionable and that the practice enters a slippery slope. Hold those who did it accountable and eventually hold those who thought it up, defended it and practiced it or gave the authority to do it accountable to. We are not robots-at the end of the day--we know when what we did is righteous or the actions of a secret evil.

[abbe91]

"That is what Mukasey has been saying all along. If ''''I'''' were Attorney General ''''I'''' will carry out the law what ever it is, but it is not up to me to make the laws."
Posted by ToolMangler at 09:24 AM : Nov 05, 2007

I almost agree but I think it''s legitimate for lawmakers to question how he interprets the existing laws.

[toolmangler-2009]

I agree with other posters in voicing the opinion that "Congress makes the laws, ''NOT'' the attorney general". That is what Mukasey has been saying all along. If ''I'' were Attorney General ''I'' will carry out the law what ever it is, but it is not up to me to make the laws. Now if you are going to give me the power to make laws then ''and only then'' do you have the right to question my beliefs.
This poster is against abortion as a ''birth control device'' but if I were a Doctor or Sheriff or what ever, I will uphold whatever the law is at the time.
I don''t care if Mukasey gets the job or not but I ''do'' care ''why'' he would be rejected. You have the info, figure it out yourselves.

[abbe91]

"They champion freedom of speech. Then the second someone with a different point of view speaks up, they quickly throw around labels such as neocons, Nazis, Fascists, etc.
Posted by pilgrimsprog at 09:18 AM : Nov 05, 2007"

like in "Abbe, like all brain dead Nazis ... (more BS following)" ? don''t blame the left for your own shortcomings.

Hillary in 08? That will sure be the downfall of this nation! I don''t understand why the libs continue to label themselves "progressive". All of their "liberal" thinking only leads to regression.

They champion freedom of speech. Then the second someone with a different point of view speaks up, they quickly throw around labels such as neocons, Nazis, Fascists, etc.

You "progressives" seem to have the same internal conflict as Gollum and Smeagol. And your "precious" is power - though you never really know what to do with it.

Progressive? Yea......Keep telling yourself that.

[abbe91]

"No he wasn''''t you''''re telling yet another Progressive lie again.
Posted by jowand at 09:09 AM : Nov 05, 2007"

Oh yes. Prescott Bush worked for Brown Brothers Harriman (BBH). BBH acted as a US base for the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, who helped finance Hitler in the 1930s. Bush was the director of the New York-based Union Banking Corporation (UBC) that represented Thyssen''s US interests and he continued to work for the bank after America entered the war.

Treason is not a new thing in this infamous family.

[mbcsmith]

I want the 90''''s again. Best time in American history!


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Posted by jh6379 at 09:03 AM : Nov 05, 2007

Oh yeah, the 1993 bombing of the WTC, the African embassy bombings, the USS Cole bombing, the HIGHEST tax rates in U.S. history and who can forget the 2000 recession. Yep, the good ole days.

[jowand]

I want the 90''''s again. Best time in American history!

Posted by jh6379 at 09:03 AM : Nov 05, 2007

Best time in American history for Al Quaeda maybe, no opposition from anyone

[abbe91]

"Actually, the reason for having the Congress pass a law is just to show that they willing to say "No" to any torture at all. It doesn''''t really have to be water boarding, it could be impaling people or giving people electric shocks or drilling their teeth or any other torture. They just need to pick one thing they are willing to actually vote to oppose.

As long as they don''''t give immunity and maybe even if they do we can still get people for war crimes later without their help - maybe they should be included.

Posted by CBS_Oliver at 09:02 AM : Nov 05, 2007"

I''d rather think the point is to have existing laws enforced. There is a procedure for that purpose. It''s called impeachment. Impeach these "roaches" before they carry through another 9/11-Northwoods to murder any amount of Americans, as somebody said before.

[ioweign]

Let them pass a law or be held as liars and scum.
Posted by CBS_Oliver

Even better, pass the law, and make it retroactive back to Vietnam, when it was last prosecuted by the US army as such, then Bush looses his loophole to claim "we only did it when it was legal"...

If it cannot be made retroactive, then it is better not to make a new law, just rely on the existing body of law, that has prosecuted this action in the past.

Posted by brianbwb at 07:17 AM : Nov 05, 2007

Waterboarding would fall under cruel and unusual punishment.

U.S. Constitution, Eighth Amendment: forbids excessive bail or fines, and cruel and unusual punishment.

But let''s re-invent the wheel for those too dense to understand.

[jowand]

Give SRP a dime for his thoughts and what do you get ?
Change.

Before calling "lefties" nazis, he should go and check whom Hitler was friend with ... Prescott Bush, for example.
Posted by abbe91 at 09:02 AM : Nov 05, 2007

No he wasn''t you''re telling yet another Progressive lie again.

[abbe91]

Give SRP a dime for his thoughts and what do you get ?
Change.

Before calling "lefties" nazis, he should go and check whom Hitler was friend with ... Prescott Bush, for example.

[cbs_oliver]

According to "newthink" retroactive laws may be possible these days. :(

Actually, the reason for having the Congress pass a law is just to show that they willing to say "No" to any torture at all. It doesn''t really have to be water boarding, it could be impaling people or giving people electric shocks or drilling their teeth or any other torture. They just need to pick one thing they are willing to actually vote to oppose.

As long as they don''t give immunity and maybe even if they do we can still get people for war crimes later without their help - maybe they should be included.

[jowand]

Tired of you hatred of the rich? Vote for me, Vote for me and this will all go away. The land of milk and honey again just like the 90''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''s

Posted by hillaryin08 at 08:49 AM : Nov 05, 2007

It was easier for the National Enquirer to find headlines in the 1990s.

[hillaryin08]

Tired of you hatred of the rich? Vote for me, Vote for me and this will all go away. The land of milk and honey again just like the 90''''''''''''''''s

[hillaryin08]

Vote for me, Vote for me and this will all go away. The land of milk and honey again just like the 90''''s

[sendreidpelo]

Just in -

DEMOCRATS IN SOUTH CAROLINA DENY COLBERT A PLACE ON THE BALLOT...

Hmmmm, Stephen Colbert is actually in their court. But I guess they wanted to make room for his even more dumb twin - the Ga-ye Naziboy, Keith Olber-MANN.

After all, Olber-MANN is more obnoxious and he has MoveOn.Org support - sorry, Stevie, but you just don''t.

That''s the gratitude of your fellow Lefties for your own stupidity. They''d prefer an even frootier bozo than you.

[sendreidpelo]

Abbe, like all brain dead Nazis - would let a roach carry through a plan to murder any amount of Americans instead of waterboarding.

Why?

Because this is the nature of how stupid the Left Fascists really are. They cry about the Patriot Act? Yet not a one is in prison. They scream about freedom of expression, yet THEY try to deny others, including that obnoxious Ron Paul clown who is really on THEIR side, his. They scream Fascist and Sieg Heil when it comes to Bush - yet they are among the most sickening, repugnant Anti-Semites to ever grace a blog. If I were called a Hitler Lover, and really wasn''t - I''d be outraged. But methinks these Lefties really wish Der Fuhrer was back, just as they wish for a Bin Laden victory.

Scum - cowards and traitors - that''s all they are.

Thanks, Abbe, and you too Loser-man, Iceboy aka LastDance, Randy BoBS, and dweebil among others, including Tucker rhymes with F and FeelJihadi to constantly verifying what I''ve said:

IF LEFTISTS HAD BRAINS THEY''D BE REPUBLICANS. AND AMERICANS, NOT NAZI COWARDS.