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$1 Trillion Overhaul Proposed to Cover 97 Percent of Americans; Obama Pushes for Quick Action
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- About 1/3 of the people surveyed think that any change to health care is SOCIALISM. OMG and LOL. Those people must think that big corporations who have ruined our country are good at health care. OMG.
I can never get anyone to say what is wrong with socialism anyway. They start blathering about Ho Chi Minh or the Soviet Union or other such nonsense.
Let's call it controlled capitalism or some such thing and get on with it. It is about time we reeled in the out of control big corporations who own and run our media and Congress, think they have human rights such as free speech, start invasions for oil and land and write our laws for their profit. When will we wake up? - Reply to this comment
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- Well, this is just my opinion but no one has been able to show me a country where socialism has done well for the people. Is it working in Cuba? According to sean penn and michael moore it is but, gosh, I tend to not believe them.
My point on the universal health care issue is this,it's rationing. I live close to the Canadian border and I see, and have taken care of, Canadians who come here for care. There is a waiting list for simple procedures such as CT scans & MRI's. So, it's rationing that I don't want.
Here's a thought, how about we all, the populace, the peons, have the same health care that your dems and the rest of the politicians have. That works for me.
- Anytime a government REQUIRES people to do something that should be a personal choice and then fines them for not following orders, it's going too far. You want to mandate that if you have children under 18 that they need to be covered, fine, but once a person is of legal age they should be able to choose if they want coverage or not. If you choose not to have coverage, then you pay the bills yourself if you need medical assistance. Government is getting way to much into people's personal lives and they are making it impossible to want to work hard for a living. People who don't want to work get all of the benefits. I'm not saying that there aren't people who truly cannot work and need financial help, I just know far too many people who would just rather not work and expect a hand out. In this economy we have people at my place of employment that CHOOSE to take voluntary lay-offs and then complain that they don't have any money or don't get paid enough when contract time comes up, and then they throw fits when they have to work too many hours because it screws up their unemployment benefits? Who in their right mind would be choosing to be laid-off right now? These are the people who do not deserve unemployment, food stamps, etc. Why should I pay for these people to do nothing?
- Well, this is just my opinion but no one has been able to show me a country where socialism has done well for the people. Is it working in Cuba? According to sean penn and michael moore it is but, gosh, I tend to not believe them.
- Joe Legal should find another job.
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- We need to make it illegal for doctors to charge fee for service. Otherwise, all the good doctors will refuse to accept the lower fees that will result from health care reform and patients will be forced to see the doctors who finished in the bottom third of their medical school. I don't want that.
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- Note to 'toobigtofail', check your math.......
Think it will be good to have everyone covered......
Truth is 'people will still die in ER waiting rooms'....and...
The people they will hire to run this program are the same kind who give us poor government service now.
Either way, Congress lacks the intelligence to employ effective safe guards. - Reply to this comment
- The idea of Congress making my healthcare decisions (and that's what this is folks) scares me. These people, regardless of party, are so self-absorbed that the last thing on their mind is my well-being. They will be able to rationalize why, because of my economic status, race or religion why I should or shouldn't get the operation I need. We have less and less control over our own lives -- exactly why our forefathers created this country in the first place....
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- While I agree with your take on the health bill and the others no one read. I have to tell you that for many of us out here that vote listening to Repubs say fiscal responsibility after how much $ Bush spent is a bit comical. Unless of course your just playing that old "well he spent less that we didn't have than Obama has" line. Which while being true doesn't make Repubs the party of small government. And while you Repubs are out re-making yourselves think about letting up on the war on drugs propaganda BS and keeping your business out of my home. Perhaps if a few of you realized that if you just stop telling people how to live they all want to hang on to their money, your splitting your votes up because your to pig headed to give in to the FREEDOMS and smaller less intrusive government you say you want. So which is it? After voting Dem for 10 years then growing up and getting paid more I turned Repub for the next 10. Well now I know NEITHER party is worth a damn so where do I turn. Libertarian is looking just about right in many ways to me.
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- Well jsd330 we've heard this garbage from you folks for 60 years about how much better Private Insurance is. Well HERE'S your chance to PROVE it. With a Public Plan available to all those who want it, I guess we will finally find out which is better. Being a Vet, I can tell you those who were Contracted to provide the Care are NOT as good and do NOT perform as well. LOL
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- Oh come on! Do you people STILL think folks are buying into this childish banter? LOL The American People are so far ahead of you in the Fringe Right it's unbelievable. For THREE Decades we have listened to this trash and for THREE decades the problems have only gotten worse. Solution? Don't have any, just attack and slander those who ARE trying to do something. LOL EVEN a 6 year old can see through you freaks!! LOL
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- QUICK, QUICK....implement the largest and most expensive program in the history of America.....HURRY, PASS IT, BEFORE ANYONE SEES WHAT'S IN THE BILL...HURRY.....YOU HAVE TWO WEEKS....AND...." NO READING THE BILL IS ALLOWED"
This is what you get with the Liberal Dictatorship.
Elect Republicans in 2010 for a new sense of fiscal responsibility, instead of constant wasteful taxing and spending - Reply to this comment
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- While I agree with your take on the health bill and the others no one read. I have to tell you that for many of us out here that vote listening to Repubs say fiscal responsibility after how much $ Bush spent is a bit comical. Unless of course your just playing that old "well he spent less that we didn't have than Obama has" line. Which while being true doesn't make Repubs the party of small government. And while you Repubs are out re-making yourselves think about letting up on the war on drugs propaganda BS and keeping your business out of my home. Perhaps if a few of you realized that if you just stop telling people how to live they all want to hang on to their money, your splitting your votes up because your to pig headed to give in to the FREEDOMS and smaller less intrusive government you say you want. So which is it? After voting Dem for 10 years then growing up and getting paid more I turned Repub for the next 10. Well now I know NEITHER party is worth a damn so where do I turn. Libertarian is looking just about right in many ways to me.
- vietnamwar? You and those like you NEVER ONCE objected when the Incompetent Republican's were selling THEIR Lie to all of us. SAYING they were going to Balance the Budget and Cut Spending. The ONLY difference I can see is that the Democrats are willing to spend the money on AMERICANS instead of others.
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- You make an excellent point.. where would the rich go? I know they aren't going to LIVE in a Third World Country, they only EXPLOIT those.
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- Joe Legal vs. Jose Illegal
Here is an example of why hiring illegal aliens is not economically productive for the State of California
( or any other state for that matter ) ...
You have 2 families...
"Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal".
Both families have 2 parents, 2 children and live in California .
"Joe Legal"
Works in construction, has a Social Security Number, and makes $25.00 per hour with payroll taxes deducted...
"Jose Illegal"
Also works in construction, has "NO" Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table".
Joe Legal...$25.00 per hour x 40 hours, $1000.00 per week, $52,000 per year
Now take 30% away for state and federal taxes........
Joe Legal now has $31,231.00
Jose Illegal...$15.00 per hour x 40 hours, $600.00 per week, $31,200.00 per year
Jose Illegal pays no taxes...
Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00
Joe Legal pays for him and his family Medical, Vision, and Dental Insurance with limited coverage, $1000.00 per month
$12,000.00 per year,
Joe Legal now has $19,231.00
Jose Illegal has full Medical and Dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year
Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00
Joe Legal makes too much money is not eligible for Food Stamps or welfare
Joe Legal pays for food, $1,000.00 per month, $12,000.00 per year
Joe Legal now has $7,231.00
Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for Food Stamps and Welfare
Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00
Joe Legal pays rent of $1,000.00 per month, $12,000.00 per year
Joe Legal is now in the hole, minus (-) $4,769.00
Jose Illegal receives a $500 per month Federal rent subsidy
Jose Illegal pays rent $500.00 per month, $6, 000.00 per year
Jose Illegal still has $25,200.00
Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.
Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.
Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school.
Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches while:
Jose illegal's children get a government sponsored lunch.
Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program.
Joe Legal's children go home.
Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same Police and Fire Services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay. - Reply to this comment
- Why do you suppose everything the Dems propose has to be hurried up, rushed to a vote? Could it be because if the process slows down and congress takes time to read the 1,000 pages, and the true costs are added up, that it would become clear that we are headed into bankruptcy, socialism and hyper-inflation?
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- OK, I may have missed this somewhere, so if I did please don't pound me into the ground.
This is going to cover 97% of Americans, right? Then why are we still complaining about Medicare and Medicaid? Abolish both, and take all of the money that currently goes into both Medicare and Medicaid and put it into the new program. Then include all Medicare and Medicaid recipients in the "Public Plan".
Too complicated for most lawmakers, I guess. - Reply to this comment
- Just wait. The first time a white person is seen before a black person there will be a huge lawsuit and DOJ investigation. Welcome to PC health care folks and you wanted it, so never, ever effing complain about it later.
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- Cap doctor's income. Guess what genius? Cap their income and lets see how fast you get seen for your heart attack in the ER. Most doctor's work their rear ends off to provide great care. Most of you on this site could care less as long as your care is free.
And who pray tell is going to invest the billions for R&D on new drugs if you will just allow a generic to make it cheap. It costs billions to get a drug to market. - Reply to this comment
- Health care reform is a catchy phrase, sounds progressive and who doesn't like the idea of reform? My concern is that the administration is trying to run and initiate as many of their desired programs as possible, in as short a period of time as possible, and piling the costs one atop the other without a clear understanding of how this is going to affect the future economies. With a multi-trillion dollar economic stimulus package that hasn't yet made any significant impact, it seems unwise to pile on huge costs of other initiatives. It gives less the appearance of a focused, deliberate, and integrated plan to improve our lives and more like a bunch of kids trying to quickly grab as much candy as they can carry out of a candy store.
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- The Bush/Cheney crime syndicate murdered almost a million human beings by lying us into 2 unnecessary wars.
Obama just wants to help rob and enslave us! - Reply to this comment
- We need to ban all for-profit health care.
We need to get the predatory insurance and hospital corporations out of the business of preying on the sick and needy. Our current health care system operates on disgusting scavenger practices draining dollars from those trapped into paying hiway robbery pricing.
Health care should be universally provided to all, with everyone recieving the same medical treatment plan as the next guy, with no loan-shark types taking a cut of anyone's paycheck nor balance sheet diagnosis' according to profit and loss statements.
What a wretched state of affairs the money grubbers have de-evolved our health care system into. - Reply to this comment
- Obama will sign any half azzz bill Pelosi sends him. Look at the stimulis he had slamed through congress with no thought or plan, just get me something to sign.
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