Comments on: Senators Criticize Cheney Cover-Up

Former VP Had CIA Conceal Program from Congress; New Calls for Investigation of Bush-Era Torture

[tincup356]

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....chances are pretty good ...its a duck......nothing has changed...we knew it was illegal when it was exposed...and it still is,,,,,,,,Yes there should be an investigation and charges filed,,,laws are laws and last time I checked ,,,they govern ALL citizens the same ,,,,at least those of us who work and pay taxes....employment in Washington seems to grant the thought you are immune from the law.

[John_Merritt]

Home CBS Evening News July 12, 2009
Senators Criticize Cheney Cover-Up

Yeah, and we Americans criticize and abhor the way you guys conduct business up on the hill. Just to think, you are supposed to be representing the people and everytime we look up, the hole we are standing in is getting deeper and deeper; and with that the blue skies getting further away.

Before you cast stones, and try to pretend that you are the protector of the people, ask yourself "How long is it going to take before the American people figure out what is going on?" Our answer is, "We already figured you guys out and there are only a few of you that operate above board and who we can trust."

Sign me: Disgusted with the whole bunch.

[skyk-2009]

LOL Your rant means what? Where were YOU when the Worst President in our History and his Hand Puppet, Bush, were asleep when the Worst Attack against this nation in our HISTORY took Place. Where were YOU when that same couple of Idiots and the INCOMPETENT Republican Party put our Troops in the middle of a War that NEVER had to be. Where were YOU when that SAME Incompetent Republican Party, Borrowed and Spent us into the worst Economic Meltdown since the Great Depression? Let's NOT throw stones at the leaders we have now when what they replaced was SO MUCH WORSE!!

[Peeshkaguava]

Folks.
Please. This is not a partisan issue.
Knowing the difference between right and wrong does tend to escape amoral folks. Especially the ones running the show for 8 years.
We all know it went way to far and was a personal snoop service for Cheney. Anyone could have been on his personal watch list.

Use of domestic surveillence likely went way to far and included political competitors and could easily include election monitering/manipulation. That is worse than Watergate my friends.

With a personal program only he and two others knew existed, it is too easily utilized for non-security related issues.
This program was not approved or properly integrated into the intelligence community. It was his own personal snoop program.

Remember McCarthyism? The accusation of being a communist meant more than what the facts could prove, even if you were innocent.
That was a witch hunt on everyone back then too.

Every American should be concerned about an unbridled program that provided the power of realtime broadspectrum information when it involves an administration that didn't care about history or law.

Of course, this is all just my personal opinion, I could be wrong.
But I doubt it!

Fred

[stn_sage]

That's right, Fred! It's NOT a partisan issue! But, Bush-Cheney supporters and Republicans who don't want to see the party take another "hit", are going to work AROUND-the-clock making it one!

That's the reality of it!

[cbsantispin]

President Barack Obama and his administration made a decision to move on and not look back, made a decision not to investigate or prosecute the former Bush administration. But a funny thing happened while attempting to move on, Former Vice President Dick Cheney starting running off at the mouth and attacking the Obama administration. I believe that had Former Vice President Dick Cheney quietly returned to being a private citizen again and keeping his mouth shut, we wouldn't be here!

[cbsantispin]

Cheney will end up looking stupid, even with no investigation at all, most agree Cheney is on the wrong side of the Law. It will be interesting to find out if Cheney is right, that the Vice President is it's own branch of government! LOL

[stn_sage]

You have a very valid point!

After having gotten a 'pass' from Obama and the Democrats, any normal person would have 'zipped their mouth' and lived quietly ever after---
like Bush was initially trying to do--- with good reason!

But, NO! Not Cheney! He's too arrogant! He's got to 'take a mess' on the public AND 'rub our faces in it', too! Instead, he goes out and continues to lie---'spin the truth'---and give 'the hornet's nest' stirred up! So, he's got himself into this!

The Democrats would be TOTALLY justified in reneging on the 'hands-off agreement' they have with the GOP concerning the former administration,
and ACTUALLY do their jobs, AND go after them!

Cheney would have NO ONE TO THANK but himself! And, his big mouth!

[45ford]

Cheney has maintained he doesn't have a problem with waterboarding so i'd say let's turn the tables and give him some of his own medicine. let's waterboard Cheney to extract the truth about his involvement in covering-up counter-terrorism activities.

come on Dick. it only hurts for a little while so you've got nothing to be scared about or do you? now Mr. Cheney there's there's really no need for you to suddenly clam up, be hesitant and start quivering cause after all Dick won't the truth set you free?

and the rest of those torture loving Christians with family values should have no problems with it either right? or is there yet another double-standard that you all have suddenly drummed up in attempt to explain it all away?

[cgallaway]

Something that is being lost here.....Holder is doing the investigating, going where the evidence takes him, regardless of what the Obama administration wants him to look into or cover up. God knows we haven't had that kind of independence in the AG's office for 8 yrs. He's actually fulfilling his job description rather than being a tool for the Administration to use for propaganda. Gonzales...what a tool!

[South-of-Heaven]

Will Cheney look good in a yellow or Orange Jumpsuit?

[Benton09]

Why not give him a RED one to match the colors of Halliburton. Let's make him a special criminal. Bush may want YELLOW, for his great service during the Vietnam War.

[donbl1]

This is a politically planted story line to move the media off the econoomy, health care and etc.

The purpose of the story is to give the Administration a chance to catch their breath as things have been going against them.

Don't buy these Red Herrings. Demand better.

[ttxort12k]

It is the extremes of either right or left that must be avoided. Either of them will bring us a divided society and the promise of flawed international relations. It is in the center of the spectrum where all true advances are made. Conservative republicans and democrats should meet at this point and agree. It is the lack of maturity of those who work for us in DC which allows bad policy, international and domestic, to be created. The solutions to all our problems are so easy to solve. We have to stop insisting that others must change and change ourselves instead. When we do this all countering arguments fade away. An important thing that can be done is to stop listening to those who use angry discourse in their attempts to change things. In the history of our world nothing good ever resulted from the use of anger.

JPS

[Stormy500]

These are very reasonable and rational comments you have made, ttxort. In other words, they won't fly with this group here. (Unfortunately)

[skyk-2009]

We need and independent SPECIAL COUNSEL!

[rwsmith29456]

Certainly a closed committee of Senators could have been made aware of plans if they were that sensitive. Cheney as v.P. was/is bad news.

[formrusmcsgt]

Former Vice President Dick Cheney ordered the CIA to keep a top-secret intelligence program secret from congress, according to Senate Intelligence Chairwoman Diane Feinstein.
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About as presumptious as it can get.

[Livinontheedge]

Sure he did........ Thats what all the big stink is about. They found a memo from Cheney ordering the CIA to not tell congress about the espionage he and Bush were unleashing on the american people.

[pvperson3]

"Why do the Dems hate America?", I think the better question is why do Bush/Cheney hate democracy?

[pvperson3]

"if the higher-ups gave the order to break the law, that the ones who get punished are the people basically on the front line, the lower-level troops"

Isn't that what happens ever time? Look at the response to the prisoner abuse in Iraq and Gitmo, did ANY higher ups that ordered the abuse get punished?

[blitzder]

You know, the American public is being punished severely instead, by a world wide boycott on Americans, just look at the state of the economy, now why do you think that happened, people across the globe, do not want to deal with America, with pictures of GITMO and Iraq plastered on the worlds front pages.

[sincity_q]

This is just a personal opinion but... anyone who still thinks that one political party or the next is better than another, is either stoned or stupid.

Our government is playing us against ourselves. If you play their game, you are as guilty as they.

Period.

...

[stn_sage]

That's right. And, that game continues until THEY collapse the system.

But, they better think TWICE. Because THAT'S when the public plays by
THEIR RULES! And, 'payback is a b*i*t*c*h!'

[skyk-2009]

Now I'm very interested in IF Cheney was following the Law and I happen to think that the American's we elect to Represent us should be looking into that. The OLD TIRED, don't trust them because they are _________ just doesn't work for me anymore. We're ALL American's and it's time we started acting that way.

[stanleyblog]

Serves Cheney right, I hope they investigate and prosecute him. Instead of staying quiet after leaving office, he kept criticizing the Obama Administration, and now the spotlight is back on Cheney. W. Bush was never President, Cheney was president, the way he did things. Bush was just a bumbling mascot, and cheerleader, like he was in college.

[speakinup22]

If you are admitted for observation, I don't recomend you repeat this, unless you like the food.

[jschmidt27]

Funny former CIA Director Hayden says Congress was notified. But the liberal media ignores that becuase they hate Cheney. So much for unbiased journalism. There out to hang Bush and Cheney. Why do the Dems hate America? Holder should e3xpose why he forced the voter intimidation case against the new black panther party in Philly get shutdown just as the judge was going to pronounce sentence.

[pvperson3]

"Why do the Dems hate America?", I think the better question is why do Bush/Cheney hate democracy?

[Livinontheedge]

Sure he did........ Thats what all the big stink is about. They found a memo from Cheney ordering the CIA to not tell congress about the espionage he and Bush were unleashing on the american people.

[stn_sage]

Hayden and Bill Clinton are both the same. It depends what you mean by "is"!

Sure! He says Congress was notified, but he doesn't denote individual Democrats, because he knows they weren't!

And, even if he lied and did denote them publically, he knows it wouldn't matter, because he's NOT in a court of law, sworn in, and
under OATH!

So, don't expect to hear the truth from him!

[skyk-2009]

jschmidt, how did you read the article and come out of it with your response? Hayden says? If Hayden were telling the truth don't you think the Republican's would be out there saying that what the NOW CIA Director told them was OLD news, that they'd already been briefed on that? NOT ONE Member of that Party that was supposed to know has said so have they? Even someone so ignorant and out of touch with reality as you seem to be, someone who STILL tries to brand everyone who they don't like a "liberal"... has to see that. You REALLY need to learn to THINK for YOURSELF.. just a little anyway.

[jschmidt27]

skyk-that's funny- an Obamabot telling me to think form myself.

All I see is a program that never made it big- less than $1 million was spent-doesn't seem that COngress needed to know unless we're into micromanaging, So I can only think that the furor is designed to distract people from the failed policies of the Dems, and to give Pelosi cover. Politics as usual.

[ubrew12]

'Inter arma enim silent legis' (in times of war, the law goes silent)
The Roman military lived by this credo, and apparently, so do we.

But grant us SOMETHING from the intervening 2000 years. Today, the flip side to this is: when the war is over, the law investigates.

If the conduct of the war on intelligence by Bush/Cheney isn't investigated now, when it is largely over, to help us do better next time, then the fault will be Obama's, Reed's, and Pelosi's. I don't believe for a second, under any scenario, that the previous administration will be held accountable. But, the policy should VERY much be held to account. Otherwise, we'll have learned nothing from the people the Romans defeated in battle, and who eventually defeated them, and built a better civilization upon their ruins.

[stn_sage]

We are no longer 'a nation of laws'! But, 'a nation of men/women'!
WHO, 'make up' the law from minute to minute, day to day, year to year!

Until such time, that the Democrats get off their 'keesters', keep their words, and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!

And, that means MORE THAN ENDLESS investigations that go NO WHERE and are eventually dropped! THAT, itself represents abuse of authority!

[stn_sage]

To o_the_potus:

You're living in a fantasy world, friend! But, if it keeps you sane, so be it!

[speakinup22]

"You're living in a fantasy world, friend!(o-pontus) But, if it keeps you sane, so be it!

Makes sense to me. I guess you just need to be a little smarter than the typical liberal to understand.

[stn_sage]

To o_the_potus:

Are you trying to communicate in the English language? You're not doing very good. (fm o_the_potus )

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Nothing better to WHINE, about?! Can't defend your side in a discussion?
So, 'we' try to go 'non-topical'? You're as bad as some of the extremist right-wingers on this board, so you can just go and 'stuff' your panties, fool!

[skyk-2009]

speakinup, Exactly how dose you statement about "liberals" apply? It appears to me that YOU and so many like you were living in a fantasy world for over 8 years, pretending about a War that never had to be and about a leader that YOU said followed the law. LIBERALS were the ones who told us that Bush was a fake and a Fraud. THEY were the ones who told us that Cheney/Bush were BOTH lying to us. THEY were the ones who said going into Iraq was a mistake and not necessary. Now being a ditto head is YOUR choice but asking everyone else to be one is a bit much don't you think?