Comments on: Family Seeks Justice In Taser Death

Death Of Missouri Man Again Raises Questions About Whether Tasers Are A Safe Law Enforcement Tool

[NegatoryInhale]

Another taser death? Those things need to be outlawed how many more stories like this are we going to read?

[cosmicfluke]

No.

[dowell100]

Are Tasers A Safe Law Enforcement Tool?

What a crazy question. It shows the insanity of the liberal minds who ask it.

Tasers are a better alternative than bullets. More lives have been saved than taken by Taser use.

There will always be problems with improper use, and police training can always be improved, but only self-serving people like Athena Bachtel are foolish enough to think they should be banned. That's just stupid.

[xlib]

YES!

[hungry1968-15]

by johnthecableguy June 28, 2009 8:18 AM PDT
Those of you who say that if you don't do anything wrong, you won't get tasered- You are either not paying attention to reality, or you are too stupid to see it, or you're a cop who is trying to convince us and yourself that cops never do anything wrong.






Exactly. The story above says that the guy was pulled over and jumped out of his car.

And while he wasn't threatening, but he was refusing to cooperate.

Why didn't he just pull over, turn on the interior lights, and put both hands on the wheel where the cop could see them when he approached the driver's side door? He'd still be alive if he just simply did what he was supposed to.

Who's fault is that?

[hungry1968-15]

by npkppprc June 28, 2009 7:41 AM PDT

As on post don't resist or break the law and it will never be used on you will it?






Exactly. The story above says that the guy was pulled over and jumped out of his car.

And while he wasn't threatening, but he was refusing to cooperate.

Why didn't he just pull over, turn on the interior lights, and put both hands on the wheel where the cop could see them when he approached the driver's side door? He'd still be alive if he just simply did what he was supposed to.

Who's fault is that?

[wtcmedic911]

still better then a lead bullet or a fractured skull in most cases. its very rare for it to cause injury. its the best we have now for technology.

[johnthecableguy]

Those of you who say that if you don't do anything wrong, you won't get tasered- You are either not paying attention to reality, or you are too stupid to see it, or you're a cop who is trying to convince us and yourself that cops never do anything wrong.

[npkppprc]

The taser is less than lethal not non-lethal, but if citizens would rather go back to the use of a firearm when necessary, so be it. Typical shallow thinking on some of the posts when a few officers? make a bad choice or lack of training it it's a bad tool and should be banned for all. Compared to the amount of arrests in this country the problems with the taser are minimal. As on post don?t resist or break the law and it will never be used on you will it?

[johnthecableguy]

Those of you who say that if you don't do anything wrong, you won't get tasered- You are either not paying attention to reality, or you are too stupid to see it, or you're a cop who is trying to convince us and yourself that cops never do anything wrong.

[fred-mertz]

"if citizens would rather go back to the use of a firearm when necessary, so be it. Typical shallow thinking on some of the posts"

THAT is the "typical shallow thinking" on the part of abusive cops and those who support their abuses! There are NOT just two options, lethal force or tasers. There are MANY options available to a cop in nearly every situation:

1. waiting until the person calms down. (often, this is all that's necessary!)
2. talking to the person, to get him to stop whatever he's doing that the cop thinks is bad.
3. containing the person, (surrounding him, cordoning off the area, etc.) so his actions can't pose a threat to anyone else.
4. physically restraining the person (use the fat, bubba!).
5. hitting the person's arms or legs with a stick.
6. tasering the person.
7. shooting the person with a gun.

Options 4 through 7 should be preceded by a verbal warning if time allows. Many people don't want to be beaten or tasered or shot, and they will comply with whatever the cop wants, just to avoid it.

This is just a partial list. There are likely to be many more options available to any cop who has a brain and the desire to "protect and serve" the people. But it seems that too many cops have neither the intelligence, nor the desire to do the right thing.

Idiot like you, who think being shot is the only other option, aren't helping the situation.

[pikerock123]

In this case, the allegation is that the officer held the trigger down on the taser for 21 seconds, then 7 seconds, then 3 seconds. Its my understanding that the taser can be deployed for longer than 5 seconds if you hold the trigger down.

[pikerock123]

The problem with this comment and those like them is that it sets up a false dichotomy. In other words, there are more than two choices out there. Its not simply shoot someone with a gun or taser them. In fact, I think that tasers should be used only where an officer's or another person's life is in danger (like a gun). Instead, tasers have been utilized because handcuffed suspects are mouthing off or, like in this case, when a citizen is asking why he is being arrested. There are other options available. 4 officers, two police dogs and one kid (not on cocaine or pcp) who they couldn't arrest without tasing him death.

[1notrub11]

Fine as an alternative in selected cases. However, this may not work fast enough in either all or some circumstances, dependent on dose - then an alternative will have to also be chose in some of the situations. All split second. And you will find that a very small number of cases, will die for no immediately identifiable reasons in the use of tranquilizers.

[6591Hou]

Police issued a search warrant at the home of a gunman who fatally shot an Houston police officer last week authorities said Saturday.

According to KHOU, officers discovered a large amount of stole merchandise ? including refrigerators, washers and barbecues ? at the northwest Harris County home of Roberto Pedroza Carrillo.

The 37-year-old shot and killed Houston Police Officer Henry Canales in the parking lot of a Walgreens drugstore at Hillcroft and Bellaire Tuesday night. He was then shot and killed himself by another officer.

Authorities searched the home Friday night, said Houston Police Department spokeswoman Jodi Silva, adding that the search was part of the ongoing investigation and declined to give further details.

Canales was part of an undercover team investigating stolen televisions. Money was exchanged with undercover officers when Carrillo shot Canales, authorities said.

Another officer tried to take the gunman into custody when Carrillo fired at him. The second officer, who was not hit, then shot Carrillo, who died at the scene.

Andres Nava Maldonado, 41, of Mexico, and Xiomara Mendez Rosales, 36, of Honduras, who were with Carrillo at the time of the shooting, allegedly fled the scene. They were later arrested and charged with capital murder, authorities said.

[barbaram99]

Ban the tazers.. Ban them..They use darts on amimals. Why not the human amimal...

[rocketjl]

Tasers are probably when used properly. The problem seems to be the lack of intelligence of the police offices who carry them. We are all reading of a lot of deaths resulting from the use of tasers. Guess there are many questionable uses of tasers of people by police where the individuals have not died. So then, why do officers use tasers???? The rest of us can figure out when, it is only the police officers who may feel that their god complex put them in charge to do as they please, when they please. Even a great-gramma can out muscle a 200 lb cop.

[luke_4u]

Well certainly it's usually safer to get hit with a taser, than it would be to get shot in the chest with a firearm. But here's the problem, all too often the cops are just too damn quick to use the taser, I guess thinking that it's not lethal, so why not. Well obviously the taser can be lethal, as numerous people have died from having it used on them. How about that little 72 year old grandma several weeks ago, that the cop tasered because she was a little mouthy ? I not only would have fired that moron, but I would've figured out some charges for him. What he did was totally unnecessary. At the very least, were I the chief I would have taken the taser away from him, since he obviously doesn't have the common sense necessary to carry one. And for those that always like to defend anything the cops do, try to remember this, anything you allow the cops to do to one, they can also do to you or yours. So don't be so quick to defend them when they act like morons. There should be a law for the use of tasers, the cop must actually be in fear for his life, or he is about to suffer personal injury from the suspect. Personally even though I know this is not going to happen, I would suggest that every citizen wear a kevlar bullet proof vest. Why ? For protection from those that swore to protect us. I'd like to see the taser banned completely, and it's use by "anyone" made illegal.

[hungry1968-15]

Don't do anything wrong, and the taser won't be used on you.

End of story.

[fred-mertz]

"Don't do anything wrong, and the taser won't be used on you.
End of story."

End of story, really? How about the poor guy the Canadian cops surrounded and tasered 15 or 20 times, killing him? The only thing he did "wrong" was waiting for his mother at the airport and he got upset after something like 11 or 12 hours of waiting, and he spoke a foreign language and couldn't understand English or French, so they decided he was a "threat" and they tasered him. After tasering him, they ordered him to stop moving, but he couldn't comply because (1) he didn't understand them and (2) the TASER caused the seizures and he could not stop twitching! So, I suppose you think that's all his fault?

Or, what about the unarmed guy who was on a ledge, all by himself, no serious threat to anybody, and the cops came and tasered him, which caused him to fall to his death?

What about the kid last summer who was stopped by a cop for "speeding" and he asked the cop why he was stopped and wanted to know how fast the cop thought he was going, so the cop tasered him for being "beligerant"?

You don't ever have to do anything "wrong" to get tasered by a cop. The only thing that has to happen is that a cop THINKS you might have done something wrong, or a cop is just in a bad mood... then you get tasered. And, way too often, people who get tasered DIE.

You WOULD LIKE TO BELIVE that as long as you "don't do anything wrong", you will never be tasered, but that is just WISHFUL THINKING. You tell yourself, "Those people were bad, so they deserved to die. But I'm never bad." You are delusional, and they did not "deserve" to die!

[wyodutch]

Forget the lawsuits and protests.
.
When a cop steps out of line and a taxpayer is wrongfully killed... The best solution is that the friends and relatives of the deceased bide their time and catch the cop alone. I'll leave the rest to your imagination.

[fred-mertz]

Most often, cops use tasers on people because they are too lazy, too stupid, or too poorly trained to think of any better way to handle the situation.

We've all seen the video of cops surrounding someone they've tasered, yelling at the poor fool to stop twitching, and then tasering him some more, until that poor fool died. Cops insist on CONTROL at all times. They are too effing stupid to understand that they CAN NOT CONTROL everything, and they should not even try! Containment is sufficient in nearly every situation. But they have either forgotten this important fact, or else they don't want to admit it because they like the feeling of power they get when they abuse people.

Being a cop is a very difficult job, at least some of the time, but that is no excuse. We need to GET RID OF every single cop who does not actually do the job we hired them for-- to protect and serve US, not themselves. If you[/they] can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

[ronjjj157]

This post says everything that I wanted to say.