Comments on: Beach Restoration: Sending $$$ Out To Sea?

Congress Awards Billions For Pumping Sand, Despite Evidence It Doesn't Work

[Oregon_State_OSU]

I saw this on the news last night. What I wanted to know is who are the people who have the homes right near the beach. What kind of jobs do they have, Are they US Senators or in Congress. Just who are the people with the houses that view the Beach and where do they work.

They need to fix the levies in the MidWest on the Missouri River and Mississippi River.

[rational_1]

Stop dumping sand and just pave the beaches - it'll last longer. Who cares what some trust fund baby with the beach house says? Think about it. It'll be great for the economy. After we spend hundreds of billions fixing all the roads and bridges, we need something for all those road crews to do. Beach paving means jobs for Americans. Pave baby pave.

[I_am_me1953]

by debinok1 May 26, 2009 9:53 PM PDT
If anyone really wanted to affect the climate they would make those changes, guess what, they don't want to. Just like planting wind breaks to the north of a house will reduce the amount of heat needed. Planting shade trees to the west of a house will provide natural cooling. These are all simple, natural alternatives to fossil fuels. I am tired of trying to convince people that being eco-friendly does not mean spending billions of dollars. They are all looking for a quick fix that takes no effort on their part.

AND

Cut wood decomposes, it releases CO2 into the atmosphere, just not as quickly as burning does. That is one major information fault that everyone is buying into. ANY wood that is not alive or chemically treated decomposes. When it decomposes it releases CO2. Cutting down trees is bad. Even for building.

by debinok1 May 26, 2009 10:04 PM PDT
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So we should or should not live in houses? We should live in caves or under the open prairie skys?

Really, your comments are akin to the animal rights people walking around wearing leather shoes and belts or carrying leather purses and eating hamburgers. Doesn't make sense. the animal had to die to get them the leather. Trees had to be cut to build your house, didn't they?

[I_am_me1953]

From the above article, "Asked how it is that levees are not getting funding while the beach renourishment projects are, Sen. Coburn responded, 'The powerful force of lobbying.'"
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I have said it for years, most of the lobbying in D.C. needs to be kept out of D.C.

[beach671]

http://cedb.asce.org/cgi/WWWdisplay.cgi?0200362

What? A Landfill ON the beach? Yep. Still there too.

www.atsdr.cdc.gov/NEWS/orotefs_032002.html

Yummy. Those fish are so Yummy. Come and eat our fish.

[debinok1]

And against that I have to deal with smug sarcasm from sh*theads like yourself.
Posted by ubrew12

Cut wood decomposes, it releases CO2 into the atmosphere, just not as quickly as burning does. That is one major information fault that everyone is buying into. ANY wood that is not alive or chemically treated decomposes. When it decomposes it releases CO2. Cutting down trees is bad. Even for building.

[debinok1]

If anyone really wanted to affect the climate they would make those changes, guess what, they don't want to. Just like planting wind breaks to the north of a house will reduce the amount of heat needed. Planting shade trees to the west of a house will provide natural cooling. These are all simple, natural alternatives to fossil fuels. I am tired of trying to convince people that being eco-friendly does not mean spending billions of dollars. They are all looking for a quick fix that takes no effort on their part.

[ubrew12]

debinok1 said: "Stop building with wood. Build with natural renewable materials, like adobe."

We should be building with wood. Wood tied up in construction isn't burned, and represents CO2 sequestered for the nearterm. The solutions to Global Warming WERE simple: plant more trees, paint roofs white, switch from Coal to Nat Gas. But the RESPONSE to global warming was to paint the climatologists as loony lefties and communists. So now NO RESPONSE IS NEEDED. Not planting more trees, not responsible nuclear, not white paint on roofs. NOTHING!! Cuz 'there is no problem'. The only 'problem' is a bunch of left-wing PhD's in climatology singing 'Kum Bay Yah' with their Psychology brothers.

Now, as the Arctic melts and the permafrost melts, serious POSITIVE feedbacks are coming into play over which NO ONE has any idea how bad they could get. And we're left with a bunch of 'go-go capitalists' saying 'how bad could it get' (but now refering to the planetary climate rather than the housing bubble... and how bad did THAT get??). If you want to know how bad the climate can get, check out Venus and Mars (hot enough to melt lead, and cold enough to freeze CO2). If can get pretty FVCKING BAD.

And against that I have to deal with smug sarcasm from sh*theads like yourself.

[debinok1]

The presidents science advisor said just today that just painting roofs white would help greatly, but I'm sure you'll find some Exxon/Mobil reason why that's expensive for the country.

How about planting some more trees? Have I entered into the realm of impacting your precious bottom line yet? I just wish we had two planets: one where troglodytes like yourself could go and keep burning fossil fuels to your hearts content, then watch your children die as a result, and one where those of us who are sane could go and create a prudent future for our children.
Posted by ubrew12

Amazing. The same things I have been saying for years. Plant trees, get rid of composite roofing and asphalt roads that absorbs and hold heat and replace it with white reflective surfaces. Stop building with wood. Build with natural renewable materials, like adobe. Those were foolish ideas when they came from a common everyday person, but genius coming from Science Advisor Chu. Go figure.

[ubrew12]

debinok1 said: "what actions would those be? "
Global warming has to be taken seriously before serious action will be taken. Fvck people like you for preventing that from happening. Once it is, solutions will be coming out of the woodwork. Its a testament to sh*theads like yourself that that's been prevented from happening so far.

The presidents science advisor said just today that just painting roofs white would help greatly, but I'm sure you'll find some Exxon/Mobil reason why that's expensive for the country.

How about planting some more trees? Have I entered into the realm of impacting your precious bottom line yet? I just wish we had two planets: one where troglodytes like yourself could go and keep burning fossil fuels to your hearts content, then watch your children die as a result, and one where those of us who are sane could go and create a prudent future for our children.

[debinok1]

Beach erosion is partly global warming, and its going to get worse thanks to sh*theads like you. Its time to take action, or more than beach properties will go missing.
Posted by ubrew12

Time to take action, what actions would those be? Do you O great and mighty one have the answers? Please tell all of us poor unworthy souls.

[ubrew12]

The rich want their beach front property, and taxpayers have to pay for it. Thats America, circa 2009.

budmag06 said: " Oh my God!!! It's global warming!!! It will erode our beaches... tax... America.. and lower global warming one quarter of one percent in 100 years!!!"
Fvck you. Beach erosion is partly global warming, and its going to get worse thanks to sh*theads like you. Its time to take action, or more than beach properties will go missing.

[debinok1]

Oh my God!!! It's global warming!!! It will erode our beaches and then, kill us!!! Please, Democrats, please tax the good people of America 200 billion a year to save our beaches, lives and lower global warming one quarter of one percent in 100 years!!!
Posted by budmag06

I actually had the thought of a question that went "I wonder if they have dumped enough sand on those beaches to account for the rise in sea levels?" Would be a funny ruh roh raggy moment wouldn't it.

[budmag06]

Oh my God!!! It's global warming!!! It will erode our beaches and then, kill us!!! Please, Democrats, please tax the good people of America 200 billion a year to save our beaches, lives and lower global warming one quarter of one percent in 100 years!!!

[debinok1]

Oh wait. HE HAS FARMS in Oklahoma. DUH!
Posted by DefendLiberty


And just FYI. Sen Coburn is a Doctor NOT a farmer. The Farmer is Inhofe.

[debinok1]

What a pathetic hack. I don't see this guy complaining about the billions spent on farmland restoration. Yet that is just as repetitive an expenditure as the beaches. Oh wait. HE HAS FARMS in Oklahoma. DUH!
Posted by DefendLiberty

Lets see invest BILLIONS to save a beach or invest BILLIONS to save our food supply. DUHHHHHHHHHHHH.

[boochaka]

Incredible! There's so many people in this country who need medical help and we're tossing money into the ocean! I don't understand our country anymore, again there's talk of Medicare going bust as early as 2010 yet somehow our country can fund hospital ships via the US Navy to go all around the world giving exotic surgeries to 3rd world nations who have never paid a penny into the system, but deny those of us who have paid into it via mandatory payroll withholdings! Medicaid is the new discrimination of this century. I remember in the 1950's when signs said, "no blacks" .. now they say, "No Medicaid" .. It's almost a death sentence, they'll let you die before paying for your surgery here in the USA, but they give it away free to other countries. I don't get it! It's the same with the auto industry bailouts, why continue to throw money down the drain, you don't see the autoworkers taking pay cuts, GM says the average UAW laborer makes $29.78 ... I wonder if they could survive on the $675 I get from Social Security because I got injured on the job. Let them fail and restructure, maybe the new jobs at cheaper rates will wake up American's that they're only strangling themselves. Stop giving money to everyone else in the world and ignoring the USA .. if we paid for the system shouldn't we benefit from it?

[vuenbelvue]

I was trying to offer a little levity. This is a horrible news night. The battle on-going between the "what constitutes a marriage" crowd, N. Korea banging their drum, The US military in two war zones for the next ten years, almost ever state having a deficit, GM and Chrysler gone gone gone and some reporter reporting "Consumer confidence is up' in some poll because the wealthy bought alot of stocks today and yet it seems like anarchy is getting closer. Poor and middle income people like beaches to. They are a cheap place to go, mostly no admittance charges and sometimes the gals are well, well endowed and fun to watch. But right, levies, out by the rivers where no one goes need work too. My apologies to the levy lobbiest.

[rwsmith29456]

Exactly. If poor people lived on the beach there would never be any such action. Property on the beachfront belongs almost entirely to upper middle and rich people except for the few that have owned land there all along..

[DefendLiberty]

Funny isn't it? A senator from a State with NO BEACHES crying about spending money on beaches. What a pathetic hack. I don't see this guy complaining about the billions spent on farmland restoration. Yet that is just as repetitive an expenditure as the beaches. Oh wait. HE HAS FARMS in Oklahoma. DUH!