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[sndkzyaa]

I thought congress creates the laws.
Posted by hungry1968-15 at 3:47 PM : Mar 28, 2009

I don't know what law you're talking about. I wasn't talking about any law.

I was talking about an executive order and an attack on a foreign country.

Congress does not issue executive orders. Only Clinton could do that.

Congress does not launch military attacks. Only Clinton could do that.

Maybe it would help if you would read the Constitution and understand the division of powers.

[sndkzyaa]

The real question was: where was BUSH in all of this???
Posted by ubrew12 at 3:47 PM : Mar 28, 2009

Whoa. Is it time for your meds? That was totally off the wall.

But to answer your specific question: Bush was serving as governor of Texas when Madoff was reported to the Clinton administration in 2000. Although I don't see how that's relevant to why Clinton dropped the ball on Madoff.

Are you denying that Clinton dropped the ball on Madoff?

Are you suggesting that somehow the governor of Texas was influencing an agency of the Clinton administration to give a free pass to a staunch Democrat from New York who was turned in to the SEC Boston office for committing fraud?

That's a pretty wild theory.

[hungry1968-15]

Hello! Madoff was reported in 2000, BEFORE Bush was president.

Are you saying we should just ignore the fact that the Clinton admin dropped the ball in 2000?

Should we just forget that the Clinton years ever happened, and just focus on bashing Bush?

The only way you can defend Clinton is by bashing Bush?

Clinton gets a free pass, while Bush gets blamed for every burned out lightbulb?

Stop dodging the issue. Clinton dropped the ball. Clinton could have put Madoff in the slammer eight years ago.

Why do you want to give Clinton a free pass on that?
Posted by sndkzyaa at 3:26 PM : Mar 28, 2009





What does Madoff have to do with the mortgage crisis?

[hungry1968-15]

No. It was Clinton. Only Clinton. Nobody else. It was him and only him.

Nobody else could issue executive orders. Clinton did that himself.

Nobody else issued the order to attack suspected WMD sites in Iraq on the eve of Clinton's impeachment vote. Clinton did that himself.

Stop trying to cover up for Clinton. Clinton is to blame. Only Clinton. Nobody else.
Posted by sndkzyaa at 2:55 PM : Mar 28, 2009





I thought congress creates the laws. Since when did Clinton do it?

And why did the congress and senate have to sweeten it up, to lure enough democrats to make it "veto proof", since Clinton promised to veto it?


And how did Clinton make congress and the White House shirk ALL oversight responsibilities from 2001 - 2007 -- you know -- AFTER he left office?

[ubrew12]

sndkzyaa said: "Are you saying we should just ignore the fact that the Clinton admin dropped the ball [on Madoff] in 2000? ... Clinton could have put Madoff in the slammer eight years ago. "

In the late '90s it might have been forgiveable for GOP and DNC members to go hog-wild over the prospect of globalized growth, and wish for a 'mechanism' whereby America could leverage her (obviously overvalued) real-estate assets into investment capital pegged to the extraordinary economic growth in Asia. This gives America a stake in Asian growth: cheap profits for team America. Clinton bought into it, and Gramm did too.

When it became obvious that this had unleashed a massive bubble by 2003 that could upend the American economy... THAT's when we need to understand why the government didn't heed the obvious warnings of a financial Armageddon. I mean, by 2003, many sober voices, including Warren Buffets, were warning that a housing bubble had been hatched, and that proper gov't attention was needed or all h**l was going to break loose.

The real question was: where was BUSH in all of this???

And what kind of attachment does it take to the principles of 'free market' ideology, to WATCH for 6 years as the economy drives itself off a CLIFF... and do NOTHING about it???

Clinton had his faults... but this downturn is Bush's baby.

[hungry1968-15]

First shot ? Republicans shoot first asked questions later.
Posted by Joe-NY-4 at 2:35 PM : Mar 28, 2009





As evidenced by the invasion of Iraq.

"We'll invade first, and find a reason for the invasion later."

[sndkzyaa]

Clinton was a "Centrist" Free Marketeer who adopted deregulation from the Reagan Revolution
Posted by curse914 at 3:01 PM : Mar 28, 2009

Oh, so it was Reagan's fault that Clinton "adopted" his ideas???

Then it was Clinton's fault that Bush "adopted" Clinton's WMD lie that Saddam still had WMD, even though no WMD were ever found after 1991.

But the liberals all blame Bush for adopting Clinton's WMD lie, but they blame Reagan for Clinton adopting his ideas.

It seems like the common theme is, Clinton gets a free pass on everything, while Republicans get the blame for everything no matter what.

Clinton is the one who CHOSE to "adopt" whatever ideas he CHOSE to think. Clinton is the one thinking the idea, no matter where he learned it.

If you won't blame Clinton even for what Clinton himself was thinking, then you obviously aren't being objective.

[sndkzyaa]

This has been going on long before Clinton.
Posted by debinok1 at 3:01 PM : Mar 28, 2009

No, no, and no again. You are the one playing "head games."

The specific events of the Clinton years happened only in the Clinton years.

Madoff was turned in for his Ponzi scheme in 2000, and he went free.

Enron, Worldcomm, Andersen Accounting, and all the rest - those were not happening before Clinton. Those stared on Clinton's watch, and none of them got caught until Bush.

Clinton's exective orders were by Clinton and Clinton alone.

Stop covering up for Clinton. It was Clinton and nobody else.

[sndkzyaa]

One of the very first things Bush did was to cut funding for the SEC.
Posted by curse914 at 3:08 PM : Mar 28, 2009

Hello! Madoff was reported in 2000, BEFORE Bush was president.

Are you saying we should just ignore the fact that the Clinton admin dropped the ball in 2000?

Should we just forget that the Clinton years ever happened, and just focus on bashing Bush?

The only way you can defend Clinton is by bashing Bush?

Clinton gets a free pass, while Bush gets blamed for every burned out lightbulb?

Stop dodging the issue. Clinton dropped the ball. Clinton could have put Madoff in the slammer eight years ago.

Why do you want to give Clinton a free pass on that?

[cheetah-man7]

Let's start with the Repigs.
Posted by johnb8888
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I agree! Forget about hanging....I want the first shot!
Posted by cheetah-man7 at 1:56 PM : Mar 28, 2009

Hey, I thought we just said it isn't just one side that's to blame.

Or do people say that only if you blame Clinton....

If you blame Bush, everybody agrees.

If you blame Clinton, everybody either denies it and calls you a lying moron, or they say both sides are to blame so don't blame just Clinton.
Posted by sndkzyaa
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I blame BUSH! The only thing I accuse Clinton of was his bad taste in his choice of women to have an affair with. Monica is a toad!