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by grouchyjohn November 2, 2008 1:47 PM EST
My house will sell for a profit, Let''''s see If I sell it after Obama passes legislation, I will pay 75K estimated more on the gain.

I choose to keep my money.

Posted by CPelzar at 10:34 AM : Nov 02, 2008




How much is your house worth?
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by cpelzar--2008 November 2, 2008 1:42 PM EST
Dolphins owner H. Wayne Huizenga said Sunday no date has been set for selling up to 45 percent more of the team to Stephen Ross, but the presidential election is among the issues weighing on his decision.

That''''''''s because a Barack Obama administration is expected to mean higher capital-gains taxes.
Posted by CPelzar at 10:30 AM : Nov 02, 2008

The actions of any single individual player do not constitute a selloff. Besides, what determines what is economically best for the country is the level of prosperity overall, not the fact that the richest 1% are continuing to gobble their share of the country''''s wealth.

Posted by amrt5016 at 10:38 AM : Nov 02, 200

You asked for an example and I gave you one as dramatic as your comments. I do not know of any person on welfare employing anyone or creating new jobs.

I am not against paying taxes, but they should be proportional. Currently the top 5% pay 50% of the taxes and we are approaching a point where 48% pay no taxes.

Exactly how much of my money do you take before I just say I have had enough and will not invest in creating wealth or jobs and longer.

How much?
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by democracywin November 2, 2008 1:39 PM EST

WHO ARE YOU GOING TO TRUST IN THESE TOUGH ECONOMIC TIMES? Should you trust a proven veteran with ability to reform and work across the aisle or the most liberal, partisan, rookie senator who wants to "spread around" your hard earned dollars?

Should you trust a war Hero, or a man whose friends. like Rev. Right, Ayer, Khalidi, Farakkan brainwashed Obama with anti-American, anti-white, anti-semitic Rhetoric.

Vote for Experience, Integrity, Character and more importantly JUDGMENT.

VOTE FOR JOHN S. MCCAIN.

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by tigerrram9 November 2, 2008 1:38 PM EST
America what are other countries suppose to think about our democracy. Whe want to lead the way, yet we show other nations that instilling fear/hatred in the people is the way to get elected. Why not get elected on your stand with the issues? Why get elected using fear and hatred? McCain is slipping so he resort to instilling hatred and fear on the American people. Is this the way you want McCain to win the White House? Is the way you want people to elect you? Is this the only way to get elected, John? My God what a way to win an election. Scare tactics are used in undemocratic countries, anyone remembers Germany when the little mustached guy took control. He used fear and hatred to control and win over the people? What are the ads by McCain saying to other countries. Scare you citizens and they will put you in power..I wouldn''t want to win this way, McCain has taken the low road to the high road. Stop spreading fear and hatred John. Stop your hateful ads. America vote your heart not your fears or not your hatred. God Bless America and all Americans
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by amrt5016 November 2, 2008 1:38 PM EST
Dolphins owner H. Wayne Huizenga said Sunday no date has been set for selling up to 45 percent more of the team to Stephen Ross, but the presidential election is among the issues weighing on his decision.

That''''s because a Barack Obama administration is expected to mean higher capital-gains taxes.
Posted by CPelzar at 10:30 AM : Nov 02, 2008

The actions of any single individual player do not constitute a selloff. Besides, what determines what is economically best for the country is the level of prosperity overall, not the fact that the richest 1% are continuing to gobble their share of the country''s wealth.
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by cpelzar--2008 November 2, 2008 1:38 PM EST
On the stock, unless i think there will be major new gains and I don''''t I might as well liquidate now, pay lower capital gains and decided what to do next. Why wait, to be patriotic like Biden say and pay more taxes, I don''''t think so, I need all of that monies or what is left of it.

There are all of people like me nearing retirement that are not voting Obama.

Posted by CPelzar at 10:24 AM : Nov 02, 2008

hahahaha. . .

Let me see, you claim to be an international financial expert.

Now, you are claiming you are going to liquidate into a bear market so you can avoid paying increased taxes on future gains. . .

Yeah, okay, makes sense to me.


BTW, all those dollars that you apparently intend to place under your mattress are going to annually lose about 10% of their value due to inflation resulting from the recent influx of $700 billion into the market with no corresponding increase in production.

Which means that in about ten years, your dollars will be worth about 10 cents.

Way to go, Mr. Financial Expert.

Seriously, you need to advise your employer that you are not qualified to hold the position you claim to hold.

Posted by tuckerndfw at 10:31 AM : Nov 02, 2008

And my money will be invested elsewhere and not given to you who has created nothing and believe that we all should support your habits.

Sorry, I will wait this one out.
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by mavnomore November 2, 2008 1:35 PM EST
Authoritarians and Their Follwers

McCain, especially, fits perfectly as an authoritarian leader. Such leaders possess most, if not all, of these traits:

* dominating
* opposes equality
* desirous of personal power
* amoral
* intimidating and bullying
* faintly hedonistic
* vengeful
* pitiless
* exploitive
* manipulative
* dishonest
* cheats to win
* highly prejudiced (racist, sexist, homophobic)
* mean-spirited
* militant
* nationalistic
* tells others what they want to hear
* takes advantage of "suckers"
* specializes in creating false images to sell self
* may or may not be religious
* usually politically and economically conservative/Republican

Incidentally, George W. Bush and *** Cheney also can be described by these well-defined and typical traits -- which is why a McCain presidency is so likely to be nearly identical to a Bush presidency.

cont
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by mavnomore November 2, 2008 1:34 PM EST
cont

Clearly, Sarah Palin also has some qualities typical of authoritarian leaders, not to mention almost all of the traits found among authoritarian followers. Specifically, such followers can be described as follows:

* submissive to authority
* aggressive on behalf of authority
* highly conventional in their behavior
* highly religious
* possessing moderate to little education
* trusting of untrustworthy authorities
* prejudiced (particularly against homosexuals and followers of religions other than their own)
* mean-spirited
* narrow-minded
* intolerant
* bullying
* zealous
* dogmatic
* uncritical toward chosen authority
* hypocritical
* inconsistent and contradictory
* prone to panic easily
* highly self-righteous
* moralistic
* strict disciplinarians
* severely punitive
* demanding loyalty and returning it
* possessing little self-awareness
* usually politically and economically conservative/Republican

John Dean
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by cpelzar--2008 November 2, 2008 1:34 PM EST
HOW are you going to pay MORE in "capital gains taxes" because the value of your house went up?

You would only pay a higher "capital gains tax" if you sold your house for a profit, and then you would only be taxed on the profit margin.

You make it sound like you''''ll be paying a high "capital gains tax", WITHOUT selling your house, because the value went up.


????

Posted by grouchyjohn at 10:30 AM : Nov 02, 2008

My house will sell for a profit, Let''s see If I sell it after Obama passes legislation, I will pay 75K estimated more on the gain.

I choose to keep my money.

Look at this if you doubt Capital Gains will start a sell off,

Dolphins owner H. Wayne Huizenga said Sunday no date has been set for selling up to 45 percent more of the team to Stephen Ross, but the presidential election is among the issues weighing on his decision.

That''s because a Barack Obama administration is expected to mean higher capital-gains taxes.

"He wants to double the capital gains tax, or almost double it," Huizenga said. "I''d rather give it to charity than to him."
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by keepontopic November 2, 2008 1:33 PM EST
How do you figure that?!?

I make $45,000 a year, and my benefits cost my employer almost $13,000, meaning I''''ll be paying income taxes on $58,000 - an increase of approx 28%.

Where did you get the 400K - 450K from?

Posted by grouchyjohn

Nuts - I added a zero in my rapid fire calcs - sorry for the presumption - you are correct.

That is just about standard fare btw....say for a senior IT worker or project manager type...
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by grouchyjohn November 2, 2008 1:32 PM EST
He has also bounced around what income equals middle class,, Below 250K, 200K, 150K and 120K???? Just because he has never aid anything about these taxes does not mean that other dems have not and that he would not embrace them.

Posted by CPelzar at 10:26 AM : Nov 02, 2008




You posted this BS before, and I shot it down then. Do you NOT BOTHER to pay attention to the facts, to instead keep listening to McCain''s lies? The comparison tax charts have been EVERYWHERE on the internet, and the only way you WOULDN''T see them, is if you chose NOT to see them:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.html
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by cpelzar--2008 November 2, 2008 1:30 PM EST
The point is is that if he succeeds with the increase he wants, there will be major sell off in real estate, business and stocks prior to the new rates.
Posted by CPelzar at 10:19 AM : Nov 02, 2008

Any proof of this? In fact, the wider question is: Under Obama, will the economy suffer because of his tax policies? I don''''t think so. The economy historically fares better under a Democrat in the White House than a Republican. So why should this time it would be different?

Posted by amrt5016 at 10:28 AM : Nov 02, 2008

Here''s one:

Dolphins owner H. Wayne Huizenga said Sunday no date has been set for selling up to 45 percent more of the team to Stephen Ross, but the presidential election is among the issues weighing on his decision.

That''s because a Barack Obama administration is expected to mean higher capital-gains taxes.

"He wants to double the capital gains tax, or almost double it," Huizenga said. "I''d rather give it to charity than to him."
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by grouchyjohn November 2, 2008 1:30 PM EST
You are wrong, I bought mu house 15 years ago, Even in this down economy I have a tremendous gain. I already have used my one time exemption to downsize and under Obama, I will pay big time.

On the stock, unless i think there will be major new gains and I don''''t I might as well liquidate now, pay lower capital gains and decided what to do next. Why wait, to be patriotic like Biden say and pay more taxes, I don''''t think so, I need all of that monies or what is left of it.

There are all of people like me nearing retirement that are not voting Obama.

Posted by CPelzar at 10:24 AM : Nov 02, 2008





HOW are you going to pay MORE in "capital gains taxes" because the value of your house went up?

You would only pay a higher "capital gains tax" if you sold your house for a profit, and then you would only be taxed on the profit margin.

You make it sound like you''ll be paying a high "capital gains tax", WITHOUT selling your house, because the value went up.


????
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by keepontopic November 2, 2008 1:29 PM EST
..
The point is is that if he succeeds with the increase he wants, there will be major sell off in real estate, business and stocks prior to the new rates.

Considering the precarious economic situation we have now, this will be enough to send the county over the deep end.

Not to mention that new capital will invest elsewhere. New Capital is needed to support an economy that needs to grow.

Posted by CPelzar

Sorry If I was too hard on you in the last post.

I can see your point - a little at least - but I reckon you are reacting more out of fear than actual threats from economic changes.

Unfortunately if the GOP diven Wall Street had not tanked we would not be in this position.

I think that Obama will govern like Clinton given the unfortunate economics times - he will not have enough dollars to go far left on us.

Perhaps you can keep going for another few years before retirement as an option?

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by amrt5016 November 2, 2008 1:28 PM EST
The point is is that if he succeeds with the increase he wants, there will be major sell off in real estate, business and stocks prior to the new rates.
Posted by CPelzar at 10:19 AM : Nov 02, 2008

Any proof of this? In fact, the wider question is: Under Obama, will the economy suffer because of his tax policies? I don''t think so. The economy historically fares better under a Democrat in the White House than a Republican. So why should this time it would be different?
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by mavnomore November 2, 2008 1:27 PM EST
The Lose Talk Express

Sarah Palin, speaking on Oct. 29 in Bowling Green, Ohio, said Barack Obama "spent a lot of time with" Rashid Khalidi. "Rashid Khalidi, he, in addition to being a political ally of Barack Obama, he''''s a former spokesperson for the Palestinian Liberation Organization," she said.

CNN Fact Check
The Verdict: Misleading. While Khalidi eight years ago hosted a political fund-raiser for Obama, the two men strongly disagree over the Israeli-Palestinian issue and there''''s no evidence of a continuing political relationship.

Sam Stein reports:

In regards to Khalidi, however, the guilt-by-association game burns John McCain as well.

During the 1990s, while he served as chairman of the International Republican Institute (IRI), McCain distributed several grants to the Palestinian research center co-founded by Khalidi, including one worth half a million dollars.

A 1998 tax filing for the McCain-led group shows a $448,873 grant to Khalidi%u2019s Center for Palestine Research and Studies for work in the West Bank. (See grant number 5180, %u201CWest Bank: CPRS%u201D on page 14 of this PDF.)

The relationship extends back as far as 1993, when John McCain joined IRI as chairman in January. Foreign Affairs noted in September of that year that IRI had helped fund several extensive studies in Palestine run by Khalidi%u2019s group, including over 30 public opinion polls and a study of %u201Csociopolitical attitudes.%u201D

It''s time to take out the Trash.
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by cpelzar--2008 November 2, 2008 1:26 PM EST
He''''''''s NEVER said anything about death or inheritance taxes. Capital gains will be raised, but how much of our saved income are you planning on withdrawing, to be THAT affected by the increase in the capital gains taxes?

Posted by grouchyjohn at 10:19 AM : Nov 02, 2008

He has also bounced around what income equals middle class,, Below 250K, 200K, 150K and 120K???? Just because he has never aid anything about these taxes does not mean that other dems have not and that he would not embrace them.
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by grouchyjohn November 2, 2008 1:25 PM EST
That is a very good and relevant point.

By just looking at your quoted percentage I would guess your income to be around the 400k to 450k mark?

If this is so then you are above the 250k mark for Bama''''s tax increase - so kudos for you there also....

Posted by KeepOnTopic at 10:19 AM : Nov 02, 2008





How do you figure that?!?

I make $45,000 a year, and my benefits cost my employer almost $13,000, meaning I''ll be paying income taxes on $58,000 - an increase of approx 28%.

Where did you get the 400K - 450K from?
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by cpelzar--2008 November 2, 2008 1:24 PM EST
He''''s NEVER said anything about death or inheritance taxes. Capital gains will be raised, but how much of our saved income are you planning on withdrawing, to be THAT affected by the increase in the capital gains taxes?

Are you going to take your ENTIRE nest egg in cash, on the day you''''re able to retire?

And how do you expect a "massive housing sell off" when this is one of the WORST "seller''''s markets" that we''''ve ever had?


You''''re babbling - hard.

Posted by grouchyjohn at 10:19 AM : Nov 02, 2008

You are wrong, I bought mu house 15 years ago, Even in this down economy I have a tremendous gain. I already have used my one time exemption to downsize and under Obama, I will pay big time.

On the stock, unless i think there will be major new gains and I don''t I might as well liquidate now, pay lower capital gains and decided what to do next. Why wait, to be patriotic like Biden say and pay more taxes, I don''t think so, I need all of that monies or what is left of it.

There are all of people like me nearing retirement that are not voting Obama.
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by amrt5016 November 2, 2008 1:23 PM EST
I think Obama''''''''s associations reflect where he wants to take the economy.

Obama%u2019s concept of redistribution of wealth as he described in his now famous radio interview and his Spread the wealth comment to Joe, are inline with Bill Ayers ideas about Communism as expressed in his long-forgotten book entitled Prairie Fire: The Politics of Revolutionary Anti-Imperialism, which was written and published in 1974 by William Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn and other members of the Weather Underground.

The only difference is Obama%u2019s has not been violent
Posted by doctor-coo1 at 10:08 AM : Nov 02, 2008

My understanding of Obama''s stand on taxes is to increase the purchasing power of the middle class and the poor by lowering their taxes. The rich arguably has as much purchasing power as they need and therefore any assistance in this regard is redundant. Therefore, the most impact of any tax reduction will be felt by those in the lower ecoomic classes. Is this unfair? Only if you argue that a progressive tax rate is unfair.
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