Comments on: Fill 'Er Up - But Make It Hydrogen

Car Of The Future May Run On Hydrogen, Not Gasoline; Lucky Few Win Chance To Rent

[ubrew12]

Martel_V said: "the concept of hydrogen as a storage medium is neither more nor less valid than saying that gasoline is a storage medium. "
Oil is hydrogenated carbon. So is gasoline. Hydrogen fuel is ''hydrogenated'' hydrogen.

When you burn hydrogen, oil, or gasoline, you oxygenate them. Actually, when you burn starch (another form of hydrogenated carbon) in your body, you do the same thing. Oxygenated hydrogen is water. Oxygenated gasoline, oil, or starch is carbon dioxide.

Bottom line, oxygenated compounds of either carbon, hydrogen, or any other substance do NOT constitute energy reserves, but rather the end-products of a combustion (ie oxygenation) process.

"there is no ocean of gasoline out there just waiting to fill our gas tanks either." From an energy perspective (or an oxygenation perspective) you couldn''t be more wrong. There are literally OCEANS of gasoline (i.e. oil) out there to fill our gas tanks, but they are running out.

"It might have escaped your attention, but this particular planet has vast saltwater resources. " As I indicated, water is not fuel, not even saltwater. It''s the oxygenated form of hydrogen: its a waste product, both from a hydrogen-activated car, and from our own bodies.

[n8_2000]

If you go to you tube, and search "water car daniel dingel", you will see a man from the Philippines who invented a car that runs on water. That is what we should be striving for and investigating to solving our environmental and gasoline problems. His hydrogen and oxygen gas generator can also solve factory and electrical generator fuel problems. We should support this idea because it is proven possible by Daniel Dingel.

[doofus22-2009]

umm let''s think for just a second, hydrogen....hindenburg, need I say more? who wants to sit in let alone drive a car that can explode if some genius flicks a ciggarette out his window?

[martel_v]

The fact that GW Bush promotes hydrogen should give the public pause: is this the old switcheroo?

Yes! Hydrogen isn''''t a source of energy, its an energy storage medium. Think of it as a battery: if you don''''t burn oil to charge it, it runs out. - ubrew12

The fact that dumbya says it would be a good idea is just an example of the fact that even extremely stupid people will occasionally get something right, even if it is accidental.

Now, the concept of hydrogen as a storage medium is neither more nor less valid than saying that gasoline is a storage medium.

There is no ''charging'' necessary. Hydrogen burns quite easily all on its own. There is, of course, no giant cloud of free hydrogen floating around with which to power automobiles. Then again, there is no ocean of gasoline out there just waiting to fill our gas tanks either. To use oil industry terminology, ''cracking'' is necessary, because the chemical component(s) of the desired fuel product has to be removed from the natural resource in which it is found in order to be useful.

In the case of gasoline, the natural resource is oil. In the case of hydrogen, the natural resource is water - with or without salt. It might have escaped your attention, but this particular planet has vast saltwater resources. It''s oil resources are nearing the vanishing point - and no matter how determined we are to ignore and deny that fact, delusional fantasies of endless oceans of oil aren''t going to fill our gas tanks.

[ubrew12]

I think the hydrogen car is just ''pap for the masses''. Like the electric car before it (remember, hydrogen is just a battery, like an electric battery).

Watch ''who killed the electric car?''.

Then you''ll realize, if the hydrogen car ever gets a snowball''s chance in h*ll of becoming popular, they''ll yank it before you can say ''Jamie Lee Curtis''!

[erichsh]

Lets see... it costs $100,000, gets 80 miles between refueling, and there''s no place to "fuel" it anyway. I''m glad I''m not one of the "lucky" ones.

[martel_v]

If you already voted for HILLARY once, then WRITE IN her name on the write in vote area of the November ballot.
DON''T LET THEM MAKE US CHOOSE BETWEEN THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS!!! - TruCrank

Look, senator, we all know you don''t stand a snowball''s chance in hell, but if you care about the Republican Party at all you should at least try to get through the campaign with a little dignity.

Calling yourself evil in a futile attempt to pick up a few stray racist votes demeans the whole Party.

[ubrew12]

You can burn oil to turn water vapor into hydrogen fuel. Guess what? You can also burn oil to turn carbon dioxide (CO2) into gasoline. Both processes rob about 30% or so from the initial energy in the oil to effect the change. Thats like taking your 30 mpg car and turning it into a 21 mpg car. Oh yeah. That saves alot of gas, alright! NOT! No wonder Bush promotes it!

But the promise of hydrogen and electric cars is that they ''could'' use energy from renewable, nonpolluting resources. Note the emphasis on COULD!! BushCo will sell you the idea that you''re saving the planet just by BUYING one of these vehicles, and then prevent renewable energy technologies from being advanced and deployed sufficiently to actually FEED energy into them. Its the old switcheroo from a true American traitor.

[okie1717]

Hydrogen is already stored in water. An article from 1935 features an inventor and his engine that runs of pure water. The reason the automobile industry will not pursue this is that energy company lobbyists are hare at work making sure they have something they can control. I also agree, Jamie Lee Curtis is rich. There are millions of struggling Americans that deserve an opportunity to save some money. While the $600 rental rate is a little pricey, there are many middle class Ameircan families that could benefit from the opportunity to participate. The rich get richer! America is capitalism that has become perverse. It is really disgusting.

[ubrew12]

The fact that GW Bush promotes hydrogen should give the public pause: is this the old switcheroo?

Yes! Hydrogen isn''t a source of energy, its an energy storage medium. Think of it as a battery: if you don''t burn oil to charge it, it runs out.

[cbsblogger]

Just like the GM EV1, an exercise in PR (but nothing else) up to including the movie star owners.

[cyberus-2009]

And how will the hydrogen be produced I wonder?

Using power from power plants burning fossil fuels perchance?

Just another case of moving pollution sources around .. the ole shell game.

[piotrek21]

so hydrogen cars produce water vapor as their only byproduct. But isn''t water vapor a greenhouse gas like CO2. So whats the difference for the enviorment between water vapor and CO2

[jackbossert]

This is one of the most important issue facing or country and our freedom. The conversion of your existing car or truck to hydrogen or biodesil cost very little compaired to what you''ll save. People can produce their hydrogen fule at home and kits are available on-line. NO more giving terrorist or their supporters any more money. I wish you would do more stories on this. The only sad thing about this story is I didn''t hear the name of any American auto companys.

J. Bossert

[dobbershome]

Gee, I wonder how she got drawn out of the hat. Blind luck I guess.