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[rational_1]

By the time DSM-II was published in 1968, the work of Kenner and Asperger was clearly widely accepted and therefore published in DSM-II.
Posted by rational_1 at 08:44 AM : Jun 05, 2008

This is what happens when you type responses on to little sleep. I was thinking of DSM III above (not II which did not define autism). DSM-III published in 1980 was the first DSM to define autism. So, even in 1968 the work of Kenner and Asperger done in the mid 40''s hadn''t reached the point of widespread acceptance to make it into DSM. It took until 1980.

[rational_1]

geez, here''''s another entry, found on-line, in fact from your favorite source, that pre-dates 1968....

Leo Kanner (prnc. Conner) (June 13, 1894 %u2013 April 3, 1981) was an Austrian-American psychiatrist and physician known for his work related to autism.[1][2]
Posted by lucasnico at 01:00 AM : Jun 05, 2008

Oh good, so you did come up with Kenner on your own. So this very nicely explains why autism didn''t make it into DSM until 1968 as I said. DSM-I was published in 1952 and at that time the work of Kenner and Asperger probably wasn''t widely accepted; you don''t just come up with something and get immediate acceptance in the entire medical field, especially to the point of inclusion in DSM. By the time DSM-II was published in 1968, the work of Kenner and Asperger was clearly widely accepted and therefore published in DSM-II.

[rational_1]

Psychiatrist Eugen Blueler first coined the term Autism in 1911. The real challenge of research is in going to more than one source......you do teach that, don''''t you?
Posted by lucasnico at 12:55 AM : Jun 05, 2008

I am sorry but I am going to have to ask you to put your dunce cap back on - you clearly haven''t even read or understood the source of your information. Blueler came up with the word ''autism'' but it was not in any way in reference to the condition we all think of as autism today. You just read his use of a word and thought it meant exactly what you thought it meant. Blueler was instead referring to schizophrenics exhibiting a catatonic state, not autism as we think of it today. See
http://www.autism-resources.com/autismfaq-hist.html

The real condition of autism was first described by Leo Keller in a paper published in 1943 titled Autistic Disturbances of Affective Contact. He and Hans Asperger were the true pioneers in this field.

[dawn2000k]

For any of you BOZOS on this comment link that blame "genes" for Autism, not vaccines - get a clue people!! For DECADES the three leading U.S. Vaccine Policy Makers have STRONGLY ADVISED the medical profession AGAINST vaccinating individuals with certain vaccines (DTaP or DPT to name a few) if THEY HAVE A FAMILY HISTORY OF NEUROLOGICAL DISEASE! ADHD, Autism, BiPolar, etc. Did the AAP advise healthcare professionals of this? NO!!! They vaccinating EVERYONE regardless!! COULD THIS BE WHY THE NUMBER OF NEUROLOGICAL DISORDERS IS STILL GROWING?? Autism now affects 1 in 67 according to the U.S. Department of Education in 2007 (and this number is based solely on the number of children in Special Ed in elementary school)!! 1 in 150 was in 1994 according to this same agency. What will the numbers be in 5 years?? BIGGER!! Wake up people and stop blaming these poor parents on their DEFECTIVE GENES - it is more like a DEFECTIVE GOVERNMENT!!

[lambofgoth]

The vaccine crowd is amazing aren''t they? Hysterical, self absorbed people who insist that vaccines are the culprit without paying any heed to the recent study about pyrethrins or that news story that a single sperm donor in NYC with 10 resultant children and more than half have autism. Self absorbed because they can''t bring themselves to see that perhaps their own faulty genetics plays a role in their child''s developmental disability. Next, we will hear from someone who will accuse me of not knowing what it''s like to have an autistic child because I didn''t start out with "My daughter is autistic and". Just because I don''t wave the "I have an autistic child flag" everywhere I go doesn''t mean I don''t. My daughter got her autism from my very own genes...

[mrsdogood]

The CDC and pharmaceutical companies started phasing out thimerosal in 1998. However, phasing out the mercury ingredient and completely removing it from ALL vaccines are 2 different things. For example, in 2005 when my son was born I read the ingredients of his Hep-B shot. It still contained thimerosal. In addition, there is one particular brand of DTaP that contains thimerosal to this day, and the flu shot does too. If you are pregnant and you get a flu shot it will most likely contain mercury. My recommendation to parents is to read "The Vaccine Book" by Dr. Robert Sears. In addition, read all manufacturers'' package insert labels of any vaccine going into their child''s body. I don''t mean to read it on-line (the on-line versions are all updated), I mean when you walk in that pediatrician''s office ask for the actual package insert and read the ingredients. If you see "thimerosal" then you know it contains mercury. Even "traces of thimerosal" could potentially harm a developing brain and immune system. Furthermore, research the aggragate amounts of aluminum your child will be receiving after each dose. Aluminum is a neurotoxin.

[juwboy]

The day I pay attention to the medical opinions of actors is the day I see actors consulting sewer workers on stage technique.

[shameonbush]

The story on CBS news was not neutral at all, but only showed the interview with a scientist that invented this formula for immunization and a pediatrician that thought there was not difference in combining all of the immunizations or if it were spread out over a longer period of time. However, they showed only Jim Kerry saying a few words to the protesters in opposition to that theory. What a terrible way to report a news story. Jim Kerry might as well of stayed home with that kind of reporting. I take a lot of prescription drugs for my heart. It is "not recommended" that I take all the pill in one big gulp, so why would immunizations be so different? Of course CBS, if you ask only the guy that invented this cocktail, he will defend it I''m sure. Lord, how I miss Dan Rather.

[jd5751]

People should consider the source when thinking about this controversy--The person who first linked thimerosol and the MMR vaccine to autism was Andrew Wakefield who published a study based on 12 patients in the Lancet about ten years ago. Then ten of the thirteen authors had their names taken off of it and the study was retracted. One big reason why is that they found out that he was paid nearly one million dollars by lawyers representing his study patients who were trying to sue vaccine manufacturers to carry out this research. He is also currently undergoing hearings regarding falsification of data for the study.

Essentially we are inheriting a ten year old British health scare/scam based off of discredited research.

Incidentally, the reason that babies are given the hep B vaccination first is because it hep B often causes liver failure in children with a relatively high fatality rate, and because it takes three shots to get a decent immune response. You might also want to know that the immune system (even those of babies) reacts to each bug independently--pretty much as if any others weren''t there at all--so the question of one vaccination at a time or multiple per shot is pretty much a question of how many times you want your kid to get jabbed in the arm. The reason why they start early is because the immune protection from the mother lasts for about six months, then the kid is on their own immunologically speaking.

[lucasnico]

geez, here''s another entry, found on-line, in fact from your favorite source, that pre-dates 1968....

Leo Kanner (prnc. Conner) (June 13, 1894 %u2013 April 3, 1981) was an Austrian-American psychiatrist and physician known for his work related to autism.[1][2]

Kanner was born in Klekotow, Austria. He studied at the University of Berlin from 1913, his studies broken by service with the Austrian Army in World War I, finally receiving his M.D. in 1921. He emigrated to the United States in 1924 to take a position as an Assistant Physician at the State Hospital in Yankton County, South Dakota. In 1930 he was selected to develop the first child psychiatry service in a pediatric hospital at Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore. He became Associate Professor of Psychiatry in 1933.

He was the first physician in the United States to be identified as a child psychiatrist and his first textbook, Child Psychiatry in 1935, was the first English language textbook to focus on the psychiatric problems of children. His seminal 1943 paper, "Autistic Disturbances of Affective Contact", together with the work of Hans Asperger, forms the basis of the modern study of autism.

[lucasnico]

Psychiatrist Eugen Blueler first coined the term Autism in 1911. The real challenge of research is in going to more than one source......you do teach that, don''t you?

[rational_1]

The term Autism has been around since 1911. Thimerosal studies, some done by parent company Ely Lilly, who own the patent, pointing to the dangers of it''''s use, date back to the 1930''''s.....in fact, the army, during WW II, labeled thimerosal as "poison."
This info can be read on line from your point and click office at your major research university.
Posted by lucasnico at 11:29 PM : Jun 04, 2008

DSM-II was published in 1968. You can get the PDF of the entire manual at the following web site.
http://www.psychiatryonline.com/DSMPDF/dsm-ii.pdf

The word autism never appears. 182 disorders are named but autism is not one of them. If it was defined in 1911 as you say why is it not in the 1968 handbook of mental disorders? Is there a more definitive source than DSM?

So, where exactly was autism described in 1911?

Hey, I don''t particularly care when it was defined, but you guys are throwing dates and ''facts'' around at will and never referencing anything. I just called him on his 1931 date and now you come up with 1911, and yet no one ever provides any evidence.

[garbosmed]

People get sick after eating tainted spinach, beef, tomatoes or peanut butter, there''s a big investigation and recall. Heparin makes a bunch of people sick, the source of the sickness is found and there''s a recall. But if kids and military personnel are getting sick from vaccines, NOBODY wants to hear about it. God forbid the CDC should actually do safety studies that test the vaccines in combination, err on the side of caution by spreading out doses, insist that neurotoxic ingredients like thimerosal and the various proven neurotoxic aluminum adjuvants be removed, or even just monitor levels of these compounds in each manufactured lot to find out how much neurotoxin a person might be getting.

Merck faked the safety and efficacy studies of Vyotrin. With the billions of dollars at stake, do you really think they haven''t done the same thing with vaccines?

[lucasnico]

just looked this up. Autism was added to the American Psychiatric Association''''s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) in 1980, fifty years after you say the first case was diagnosed. So for fifty years kids could be diagnosed with autism and no one bother to put it into DSM?

Posted by rational_1 at 10:33 PM : Jun 04, 2008
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The term Autism has been around since 1911. Thimerosal studies, some done by parent company Ely Lilly, who own the patent, pointing to the dangers of it''s use, date back to the 1930''s.....in fact, the army, during WW II, labeled thimerosal as "poison."

This info can be read on line from your point and click office at your major research university.

[jd5751]

I find this debate really frustrating. I really don''t understand why these people would expose their and other people''s children to suffering and agonizing deaths (just look at how bad things are going where measles, polio and other vaccine-preventable diseases are still endemic). They don''t seem to get that measles still kills people and causes permanent brain damage. Rubella is similarly bad--it causes still births and congenital blindness and deafness as well as brain damage. They might not know they and adolescents may carry whooping cough (pertussis--now becoming antibiotic resistant) to give to those cute newborns. These kids cough so hard that they burst blood vessels in their eyes and stop breathing. Even keeping kids away from people doesn''t work--tetanus lives in dirt. It is likely that they don%u2019t know that "autism" now usually includes autism spectrum disorders--a category that has recently been greatly expanded. I think that is so sad when these people bring their kids in for treatment--that is when it is way too late. The world is a hostile place where everyone is exposed to lots of organisms that are capable of causing disease and death everyday (ex: the same bug that causes strep throat is the famous "flesh eating bacteria"). As vaccinations become less common and vaccine-preventable diseases more prevalent and drug resistant these people will likely have to explain to their kids why they didn''t do something to protect them.

[barbjc1]

Dear readers,
The only way to stop this cra* is to STOP voting the same good ole boys back in office. AND I am not talking about just the Presidency, I mean Congress, as in the House of Representative and the Senators. Did you see where Senator Byrd was just admitted to the hospital, HE IS 90 Years old. That is ridiculous.
How many people do you know that a fully cognizant at 90 years old?
I am not a rebel rouser but this is so totally ridiculous to keep putting the same people and same type back in office over and over again.

[barbjc1]

O.K.. what is wrong with these doctors, how much pressure has been put on to them by the pharmaceutical companies. The average 2 year child weighs about 25 lbs at the most and these bozos are putting cra* into their little bodies. My children, who all happen to be very normal, had the DPT, Polio and smallpox vaccinanations and the Measles, measles, mumps vaccine. However, their little bodies were not overloaded because their doctor had common sense.
These children do not need a Hepatitis shot and whatever else they had added to it, our sanitation is far enough advanced except for those I listed are not necessary.

[rational_1]

The first child diagnosed with autism in the United States was born in 1931, the same year thimerosal was first used in a vaccine.
Posted by my2centss at 09:42 PM : Jun 04, 2008

Okay, I''''m calling you on this. Please provide me some evidence that medicine defined autism in 1931.
Posted by rational_1 at 10:22 PM : Jun 04, 2008

I just looked this up. Autism was added to the American Psychiatric Association''s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) in 1980, fifty years after you say the first case was diagnosed. So for fifty years kids could be diagnosed with autism and no one bother to put it into DSM?

[rational_1]

I gather, then, that those of you who are against vaccinations would refuse one if you were bitten by a rabid animal. Rabies is always fatal, and it is a horrible way to die.
Posted by brucesmall at 10:19 PM : Jun 04, 2008

I''d like to offer some hope to the anti-vaccination crowd. There is a SINGLE report of an individual surviving rabies.

[rational_1]

The first child diagnosed with autism in the United States was born in 1931, the same year thimerosal was first used in a vaccine.
Posted by my2centss at 09:42 PM : Jun 04, 2008

Okay, I''m calling you on this. Please provide me some evidence that medicine defined autism in 1931.

Also, how do you know this particular kid was vaccinated and with a vaccine containing thimerosal?