Comments on: Teens Lobby Hill For New Immigration Bill

"Dream Act" Would Give Kids Of Illegal Immigrants A Path To Citizenship Through College Or The Military

[klingon69]

It doesn't matter how much you try to explain it to these people they are in total denial of the facts. The fact is these guys are racists bound and determined to shoot down whatever bill congress attempts to pass that allows a path to citizenship for the undocumented immigrant. Why? because they are different. Racism pure and simple.
Posted by robertr121 at 03:33 AM : Aug 05, 2007

First off, because we oppose a clean slate and amnesty we are now racists, listen blow-hole, They are ILLEGAL, not undocumented, they have plenty of documentation. Stolen, forged, fake...etc. They are ILLEGAL ALIENS. They do not need to be rewarded for their crime(s), they need to be punished.

The man that I was speaking to got up and when to a box that he kept on top of his refrigerator and showed his pay stub where he pointed to a little line that said what was deducted from his PAY CHECK (as a vineyard worker) as taxes. And as if that was it, he then showed me his income tax form for the past year with the amount that he had to pay and a receipt along with it. ILLEGALS DO PAY TAXES and because they do PAY TAXES, I don't see why they can't stay.
Posted by SpikeEx at 01:55 AM : Aug 05, 2007

So, something was taken out of his check, big whoop. If he was not here ILLEGALLY, he wouldn't have that home, those receipts and maybe not even the box. They can't stay because they are illegal, and no they can't be made legal as that is rewarding them for their illegal act(s).

[klingon69]

SANE PERSON: "There is no way that the IRS would allow anyone to get away with not paying Taxes."
Posted by xRonSilvax at 01:38 AM : Aug 05, 2007
If they put down enough dependents on their W4, then no fed income tax gets held out of their check. So if the SS# is stolen, who pays the fed tax?

[klingon69]

And another thing for those of you who think that illegals don't pay taxes, it just isn't true, no matter how many times you say it, it doesn't make it true. We all pay taxes, income, federal, state, FICA, SALES tax on groceries, tax on gas, city taxes, etc. I just don't want to hear the lame argument that illegals don't pay taxes.

They pay taxes on purchases, yes, that is state, city...etc. However even if you use a SS#, you can claim multiple deductions, and nothing gets held out of your check. Then you get hit with it in April. I know this because it has happened to me. If you put down 4+ dependents on your W4, then no federal income tax gets held out.

I know several kids that fall into this category that the dream act could help. All I think that they should do is the kind thing. Do what you would do for your own children. Think about it.
Posted by dilworthdilw at 11:48 PM : Aug 04, 2007
It is sad that the wrongs of the parent are reflected on the children, however, who is going to pay for their education? How about those who can't afford to pay for their own kids to go to college, but their taxes will help the illegal kids get a college education? Is that fair to our own kids? No!!! I will do what I can for my own child, the illegals, no I will not willingly help them.

[coffeehead-2009]

America is not a place that USE to take from one family to give to another...
NO SUBSIDIES unless they are legal and then only if EVERY person of working age is doing so.


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[spikeex]

furman2008, SAVE YOU FROM WHAT ? Hispanic people? Oh no! Educated Hispanic people! WE NEED TO GO BACK TO EUROPE AND TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK? IN THE MATH CLASS THAT I TEACH AT THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE, I SEE SO MANY EMPTY SEATS. EACH SEMESTER I START OUT WITH 20, THEN I END UP WITH 7. THESE MUST BE THE SEATS THAT ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE TAKING.
*What if instead we look at the criminal record of those who have been in the U.S. for a long time, if they are of good moral character why not let them stay and let them continue to pay taxes. These people are not the ones begging for money by the freeway. I know what some of you are going to think, "they are on the freeway because illegal aliens have taken their jobs." BULL S***, they don't want to work, that's why they are on the f*** freeway. They make around $20,000 a year doing just that. And illegal aliens make the same, if not less picking grapes AND PAYING TAXES. So if you kick these people out will the people with the signs "will work for food" take those jobs, I think that it will be more likely that you take those jobs.

[spikeex]

lostcountry1, by "preserve the culture of your own country" do you mean make sure that there are more white people than colored people? Is this not a nation of immigrants of different cultures? Or do you want this to be simply a nation of white immigrants of European culture?

I am tired of people sayings, "these illegals want to get educated at the expense of my tax dollars." Pull your hears out of where the sun does not shine and realize that everyone pays taxes. Now I don't believe that this makes them eligible to become citizens but they do pay taxes and feed to social security without any benefit. Now should they have the benifits no, but PLEASE realize that they are helping pay taxes and that they make up for them selves. They are the ones that should not be saying, "I don't want my tax dollars to benefit the retirement plan of conservatives that think that their tax dollars are keeping me a rich rich man." No. They are not saying that.

[spikeex]

As for the people that get payed under the table (as in cash), last year here in California, farmers lost millions of dollars worth of fruit. Were they happy? No. Did the price of fruits and groceries go up? Yes. If these people that wanted to apply to come and work here, how long do you think that they would have to wait. Actually there is no application that you can fill to come into the U.S. and pick grapes or strawberries, and more, in order to be considered you have to have a good amount of money and a good amount of property in your country of origin. The percent of people that pick the fruit in California that have a legal status in the U.S. I can say with great confidence that it is around 1%. What I am trying to say is that they pose no threat to you unless you are a conservative white American that wants to preserve the white race and culture and don't want any educated colored people.

Whether you like it or not they help are the ones picking the fruits and vegetables of your groceries. If you want to deport them, please wait until the harvest season and do it then. You will get millions and millions, I promise. Plus, then "White American Citizens" that are unemployed can then take those jobs and unemployment will drop like nothing you have ever seen.

[spikeex]

So what does is the criteria to become a U.S. citizen hoofhearted0? Does one have to be white. What makes you so legal in this country. Think about it, only YOUR RULES make you a U.S. citizen. Native Americans did not give you your citizenship. Your ancestors made laws that allowed you to stay here and take their land. What did you say to Native Americans when they said that they didn't want any more people in their country?

MOST OF YOU SAY, GO BACK AND FIX YOUR COUNTRY!!
WELL, IF YOU HAVE EVER TAKEN A HISTORY CLASS YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE WHO SCREWED UP THEIR COUNTRIES THROUGH MILITARY INVASIONS AND BY PUTTING SELECTED PEOPLE INTO PRESIDENTIAL POSITIONS. TADA! THE U.S. , YOU WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR *** UP THEIR COUNTRIES AND NOW YOU ARE ASKING THEM TO FIX IT. PLEASE GET EDUCATED.
IT WORKED LIKE WHEN YOU PUT ASAMA BIN LADEN INTO POWER BECAUSE YOU THOUGH THAT HE WAS GOING TO SCREW OVER HIS COUNTRY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE U.S. BUT INSTEAD HE DID THE RIGHT THING AN USED YOU. WHAT HAPPENED IN 9/11 WAS TRAGIC AND WRONG BUT YOU ONLY HAVE YOURSELF TO BLAME.

[greyin]

American Values: Respecting Law, Freedom, Democracy and Justice.
Non American Values: Intolerance, Xenophobia, Blind Injustice.

American Society is at its best when we remember the ideals of that drove the American Revolution: Liberty and Justice for all! Yes, many people are here illegaly, but we ourselves commit an injustice against our heritage when we stereotype and generalize these people as leeches or violent criminals.
The same distaste for a group of people have been made against italians, germans, irish, polish, etc. Come on!! Just ask your grandparents about what they faced!

[furman2008]

Who is "we"?