Comments on: Iran May Be Closer To Nukes Than Thought

U.S. Intelligence Moves Up Worst-Case Scenario Date To 2010, But Says Iran Will Likely Take Longer

[rsoxfan1123]

The UN has proven that they are incapable of accomplishing anything
Posted by three-o-six

They were right about WMD. They were helpful in Desert storm. There are also economic sanctins they can impose. Unfortunately, it's WE who have proven ourselves incomptent in intelligence gathering and therefore unreliable in our judgement thanks to bushie boy.

[three-o-six]

How many times has Iran ingnored the edicts from the UN -- Isreal has one choice -- pre-empt

[rsoxfan1123]

xzavierbrown-your ignorance reflects your master's, bush. By working together with the UN (bush senior found a way btw) these problems can be solved without spending $1 trillion US dollars and filling thousands of US bodybags, something you ignorant neocons can't seem to grasp.

[three-o-six]

rsoxfan1123

The UN has proven that they are incapable of accomplishing anything

[xzavierbrown]

well Iran is fortunate that they have the UN and EU incompetence working for them and not to mention that liberal sympathy..what was that liberal PC word again..the ability to have an 'apropriate response' against the the evil US. These liberals..are they aware that they live, work and more likely die in the US and that these Iranian muslims would rather behead your arse than give you the 'liberal freedom' they take for granted in this country.
Liberals do not deserve freedom, they became comfortable with it. I think they might need to bleed a bit to understand the cost of it.

[neoconrcrazy]

notblue is another neocon troll paid to come here and post the garbage that even he probably doesn't believe in order to push honest opinions and the truth from the page.

Posted by rsoxfan1123

you're right - I asked him before where his moral compass was with 100'000+ dead in Iraq, 2 million refugees, a destroyed infrastructure -

he replied that our moral compass consisted in the fact that we "restrained " ourselves from wiping the country off the map!

these guys are so full of sheet (indian speling) I have to clean my harddrive everyday.

keep cool rsoxfan, we're getting our country back!

[rsoxfan1123]

three-o-six -OR the UN needs to step in collectively and get a handle on it. that would require diplomacy, something bush lacks.

[three-o-six]

Making some one "Vanish from the page of time" sounds alot like "Wiped off the map" to me. In the end Iran has shown that their goal is to eliminate Isreal. Isreal will have to pre-empt to survive -- before Iran can posses a nuke.

[jimibear]

Ok, notblue, fine ... we disagree. I place the blame on the US for what we have done, and more so as we put ourselves forward as a noble nation. There is nothing noble about the Iraq war, or George Bush.

I also blame the religious radicals in the middle east for what they have done. The difference is, we are a superpower with responsibility to behave like sane grownups. The terrorists are lunatic fringe-dwellers from whom only insanity can be expected, and who need to be fought as such, not as a nation.

All we have done in making this a national war against Iraq is to generate massive hatred and involve ourselves in someone else's civil war. Until we address the problem of terror in an intelligent way, and stop acting to increase it, we will remain to some degree in the wrong.

I just don't see it as black & white as you do. I look at the facts, and they tell me that we are continuing to make the situation worse, and Bush & Co (not at all coincidentally) richer.

[rsoxfan1123]

notblue is another neocon troll paid to come here and post the garbage that even he probably doesn't believe in order to push honest opinions and the truth from the page. Bush alienated our allies. We need to work cooperatively with them and continuing the republican go-it-alone agenda will make Iran our problem alone. With a democratic president there will be hope that they will once again trust us and work with us.

[neoconrcrazy]

"wiped off the map?" I just don't understand it...why shouldn't this be taken seriously?

Posted by NavyRetired2

BEFORE YOU REPEAT THINGS "YOU HEARD" BETTER RESEARCH THEM FIRST :

[edit] Translation of phrase "wiped off the map"
Many news sources have presented one of Ahmadinejad's phrases in Persian as a statement that "Israel must be wiped off the map"[4][5][6], an English idiom which means to cause a place to stop existing[7].

Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, translates the Persian phrase as:

The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).[8]

According to Cole, "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to wipe Israel off the map because no such idiom exists in Persian" and "He did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse

[notblue]

Jimibear , the problem I have with your statement is that conducting ourselves like noble nation is what America does from my perspective unlike the evil we are fighting. The reality is that no matter how noble we conduct ourselves the radicals could care less as there agenda of destruction will be unchanged only enhanced by our morality and perceived weakness. You continue to place the majority of blame on the U.S. which brings us full circle and only strengthens my opinion of you.

[rsoxfan1123]

jimibear-If we can get a democrat in there we can probably hit the reset button with these other nations and say, "look, the last president is gone, the republicans are gone. We're sorry for what he did and we want to rebuild these damaged bridges", we can get everyone together on Iran like we did in Desert storm.

[jimibear]

"This is a perfect example of why it was stupid for Bush to alienate us from the UN. This is not a US problem, it is a WORLD problem in which we all need to cooperatively solve it, not like when bush the lone ranger gave the middle finger to the UN and rode into Iraq, calling the UN liars for saying that there were no WMDs.
Posted by rsoxfan1123 at 11:30 AM : Apr 27, 2007
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Hear, hear, rsoxfan. Perhaps worse for the US in the long run than the enemies Bush has made are the friends he has lost for the US.

The man could not have done worse for the US if he were in the pay of a Middle Eastern power himself. Hmmmm ... Saudi Arabia, perhaps?

[rsoxfan1123]

This is a perfect example of why it was stupid for Bush to alienate us from the UN. This is not a US problem, it is a WORLD problem in which we all need to cooperatively solve it, not like when bush the lone ranger gave the middle finger to the UN and rode into Iraq, calling the UN liars for saying that there were no WMDs.

[jimibear]

(cont.)

Far from "leaving you to your freedoms", I (unlike the Bush administration) want to see those freedoms, and the way of life they protect, defended. It is the job of a real patriot to oppose his country's enemies, not only externally, but internally.

In my opinion, a president who lies to go to war resulting in the death and maiming of thousands of Americans, ignores the attacker of his country (Bin Laden) in favor of profit and pursuing a personal enemy, plunges the country into massive debt to do so, strips us of constitutionally guaranteed freedoms (privacy, habeas corpus) defends torture as a legitimate tool and advocates a policy whereby it is ok for the US to invade anywhere at any time, thus turning us from the idol of the world to the enemy of millions and a hated bully state, is an enemy of America on a scale unimaginable by the terrorists.

[three-o-six]

nautig

Did you not read this article? It is Isreal that would be making a pre-emptive strike not us. Given the dialog coming out of Iran, Isreal has no other choice. Isreal can't wait to see if Iran has a nuke when it is detonated in Isreal.

[jimibear]

(cont.)

In reality, the war in Iraq has generated more terror, not less. Even Massad, Israeli intelligence, has told us that hatred of the US because of our invasion of Iraq has generated 10,000 or so new recruits for Al Quaeda alone, and that world-wide there are now 5 times the terrorists actively working against the US as there were before the invasion.

I don't defend radicals and despots, either in other countries or here. When we stop installing and arming the despots and inflaming the radicals, we can claim the moral high ground. At the moment, we are at least as much to blame for the mess as anyone, and more than most.

For you to equate my advocating that the US conduct itself like a responsible, noble nation rather than like a rogue state with "supporting the other side" is moronic, and typical of the fasco-nationalist approach of branding any who disagree with you a traitor.

[toolmangler-2009]

Give them the bomb; hopefully they will be smart enough to not to use it.

If they do use it, it will start WWWIII, everyone will have to choose up sides and have at it. Maybe when the dust settles, who's ever left will have had enough of war and will be ready to make real peace in the region; if there is anything left.
Posted by AJMarine1 at 09:02 PM : Apr 26, 2007



If? There is no 'if' where religious radicals (Muslim, Christian) are concerned. They 'will' use it to start WWIII with the (to them,) "Sure and certain knowledge" that their God will "Establish his reign on Earth". Those that grab "the Word" and use it to 'justify' their actions are mindless slaves to the "Word". They see conflict as a way to force God to "Act now instead of when 'He' is ready." Man is for the first time in his history 'able' to destroy this Planet utterly, the only reason we haven't is because of M.A.D. (mutually assured destruction).
Until now only Nations that use 'reason' in their dealings with each other have been in a position start a Nuclear holocaust. With a country that is only run by religion, building Nuclear weapons and in a position to supply these to a Army comprised of suicide bombers how long do you think 'we' Infidels have got?

[rsoxfan1123]

bizzzz-yeah! let's put our entire military in IRAQ, listen to bush lies, and look for imagininary WMDs (and make a bunch of money for halliburton, coincidentally enough) so that Iran gets brave enough to produce some REAL WMDs. Sounds very intelligent. Or, we can wash our hands of Iraq, pull out our military and be prepared todeal with REAL threats when they appear in North Korea or Iran.