Comments on: Can Bush Fund Faith-Base Conferences?

Supreme Court To Hear First Amendment Case Challenging The White House's First Initiative

[fizzal-2009]

If this problem is only about money, then the problem would be solved easaly. It takes 6 months to build a school for retarded children while it takes more than 5 years to plan to build a public school and usualy more than 3 years to build a public school.Just send them to a school for retarded children. By the way how many time do you have to hire an archetect to draw up plans to build the same school?

[dawnking2]

I say bring on the rapture.....if it gets rid of bushie and his followers, the country will be much better off! I would question whether God would actually want these wackos hanging around.

[homespunlady]

I'm not too worried now. Pretty soon even the $$ for this will be sucked into war if this is true. It's from a NY times editorial:

As our colleagues Mark Mazzetti and David Rohde reported last week, American intelligence and counterterrorism officials believe that Al Qaeda has rebuilt its notorious training camps, this time in Pakistan%u2019s loosely governed tribal regions near the Afghan border. Camp graduates are fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq %u2014 and may well be plotting new terrorist strikes in the West.

The same officials point to more frequent and more current videos as evidence that Al Qaeda%u2019s top leaders, Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahri %u2014 once on the run for their lives and unable to maintain timely communications with their followers %u2014 now feel more secure. Al Qaeda is not as strong as it was when its Taliban allies ruled Afghanistan. But, the officials warn, it is getting there.

Diversions anyone. Let the fleas argue over the dog.

[dawnking2]

Good for you, Scott. At least you know who you are and what you stand for and you don't seek some godly revenge on those that disagree with you. You are the exception to the rule.

For the record, I am neither athiest or agnostic, although my posts would lead you to believe otherwise. Unfortunately, I have become disillusioned with Christianity. I see it as a wealthy enterprise that is turning more radical and politically powerful every day. This is what scares me.........
It happened in Germany and it can happen here.

[homespunlady]

singinrick I respect your right to believe what you want as long as it's not harmful to others. I missed your opinion concerning this though. Isn't trading religious freedom of choice tantamount to prostitution? I'd trust the government about as far as I could see at the bottom of a closed up cavern. Isn't all this faith based initiative a way to force all religions to adhere to an official government set of standards? From what I read this morning that set may very well be the Moonie version. I find that simply creepy.

[homespunlady]

Bac to splitting religious hairs I see. Isn't this a case of crossing over to the dark side (i.e. mixing government and religion) The truely religious people I know DON'T want it since the government ALWAYS ATTACHES STRINGS. The greedy wackos like JIM JONES are the ones I see lining up for this money. See my previous posts. Apparently I'm boring enough to run off the people that just want to snipe over their personal beliefs and totally miss the point of the article.

[scott4261]

DawnKing2,

In case you missed my note to Randal last night, a few things: I come on these threads to challenge singinrick and the rest of the Flat Earth Society. As a gay man, I've fought with his kind all of my life. I have reconciled my spirituality and my sexuality. And anyway, it is none of his business. But then, I was raised to respect the differences in others. And since I discovered my own little difference more than 30 years ago (I'm 45 now), I've tried to be open-minded, tolerant and accepting.

But we Episcopalians in general are not about proselytizing anyway. For most of us, religion is very personal and we try to actually follow Christ's tenets: you know "do unto others," "love your neighbor as yourself," things like that. I personally get a lot of growth helping charities which help the poor. See, I thought that's what I was supposed to be doing.

And you know what? I have a few agnostics and a few atheists in my circle of friends, as well as people from faiths other than Christianity. I cherish each one of my friends, because they all are individuals who have contributed a unique gift to my life just by being a part of it.

I hope that you and other atheists and agnostics understand that not all Christians are of the fundamentalist variety. Some of us are even unrepentant, unapologetic, bleeding-heart liberals. And not all of us are straight, either.

[dawnking2]

I bet our buddy rick sees Christ as a warrior type figure. It's very appealing to most of the religious wingnuts that think Jesus is Rambo. With millions of Americans lacking affordable health care, the loss of manufacturing jobs, negligible opportunities for education and poor job security, one can see how this ideology is attractive because it offers them hope of power and revenge. It santifies their rage and stokes paranoia about the outside world. The abandonment of the working class is crucial to this movement and this one is no exception.

[dawnking2]

George, don't you know that science is evil witchcraft perpetuated by satan himself!

[tuckerndfw]

The ultimate truth is that God exists, and that His word specifically predicts people like you who will reject the Truth and believe in doctrines of devils and the lies of the world.

I feel sorry for you tucker, I really do.

Posted by singinrick at 05:42 PM : Feb 25, 2007

That is your ultimate opinion, it is not an ultimate truth to anyone but you.

In other words, you whole heartedly believe the bible (the Jesus myth), in part at least, because it claims people will reject it? You consider that one of those "inerrant prophecies"?

The bible was invented in the 4th Century and it had become fairly obvious by then that it had been rejected by the vast majority of Jews. As it is today. Stating the Jesus myth will be rejected was not a prediction, it was history.

Don't waste your sympathy on me. The person most needing your attention is the person you see in the mirror.

It is a fact that the God of the bible does not exist in fact. Your (or anyone else's) delusions and opinions will not alter that ultimate truth.