Comments on: Can Bush Fund Faith-Base Conferences?

Supreme Court To Hear First Amendment Case Challenging The White House's First Initiative

[fizzal-2009]

If this problem is only about money, then the problem would be solved easaly. It takes 6 months to build a school for retarded children while it takes more than 5 years to plan to build a public school and usualy more than 3 years to build a public school.Just send them to a school for retarded children. By the way how many time do you have to hire an archetect to draw up plans to build the same school?

[dawnking2]

I say bring on the rapture.....if it gets rid of bushie and his followers, the country will be much better off! I would question whether God would actually want these wackos hanging around.

[homespunlady]

I'm not too worried now. Pretty soon even the $$ for this will be sucked into war if this is true. It's from a NY times editorial:

As our colleagues Mark Mazzetti and David Rohde reported last week, American intelligence and counterterrorism officials believe that Al Qaeda has rebuilt its notorious training camps, this time in Pakistan%u2019s loosely governed tribal regions near the Afghan border. Camp graduates are fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq %u2014 and may well be plotting new terrorist strikes in the West.

The same officials point to more frequent and more current videos as evidence that Al Qaeda%u2019s top leaders, Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahri %u2014 once on the run for their lives and unable to maintain timely communications with their followers %u2014 now feel more secure. Al Qaeda is not as strong as it was when its Taliban allies ruled Afghanistan. But, the officials warn, it is getting there.

Diversions anyone. Let the fleas argue over the dog.

[dawnking2]

Good for you, Scott. At least you know who you are and what you stand for and you don't seek some godly revenge on those that disagree with you. You are the exception to the rule.

For the record, I am neither athiest or agnostic, although my posts would lead you to believe otherwise. Unfortunately, I have become disillusioned with Christianity. I see it as a wealthy enterprise that is turning more radical and politically powerful every day. This is what scares me.........
It happened in Germany and it can happen here.

[homespunlady]

singinrick I respect your right to believe what you want as long as it's not harmful to others. I missed your opinion concerning this though. Isn't trading religious freedom of choice tantamount to prostitution? I'd trust the government about as far as I could see at the bottom of a closed up cavern. Isn't all this faith based initiative a way to force all religions to adhere to an official government set of standards? From what I read this morning that set may very well be the Moonie version. I find that simply creepy.

[homespunlady]

Bac to splitting religious hairs I see. Isn't this a case of crossing over to the dark side (i.e. mixing government and religion) The truely religious people I know DON'T want it since the government ALWAYS ATTACHES STRINGS. The greedy wackos like JIM JONES are the ones I see lining up for this money. See my previous posts. Apparently I'm boring enough to run off the people that just want to snipe over their personal beliefs and totally miss the point of the article.

[scott4261]

DawnKing2,

In case you missed my note to Randal last night, a few things: I come on these threads to challenge singinrick and the rest of the Flat Earth Society. As a gay man, I've fought with his kind all of my life. I have reconciled my spirituality and my sexuality. And anyway, it is none of his business. But then, I was raised to respect the differences in others. And since I discovered my own little difference more than 30 years ago (I'm 45 now), I've tried to be open-minded, tolerant and accepting.

But we Episcopalians in general are not about proselytizing anyway. For most of us, religion is very personal and we try to actually follow Christ's tenets: you know "do unto others," "love your neighbor as yourself," things like that. I personally get a lot of growth helping charities which help the poor. See, I thought that's what I was supposed to be doing.

And you know what? I have a few agnostics and a few atheists in my circle of friends, as well as people from faiths other than Christianity. I cherish each one of my friends, because they all are individuals who have contributed a unique gift to my life just by being a part of it.

I hope that you and other atheists and agnostics understand that not all Christians are of the fundamentalist variety. Some of us are even unrepentant, unapologetic, bleeding-heart liberals. And not all of us are straight, either.

[dawnking2]

I bet our buddy rick sees Christ as a warrior type figure. It's very appealing to most of the religious wingnuts that think Jesus is Rambo. With millions of Americans lacking affordable health care, the loss of manufacturing jobs, negligible opportunities for education and poor job security, one can see how this ideology is attractive because it offers them hope of power and revenge. It santifies their rage and stokes paranoia about the outside world. The abandonment of the working class is crucial to this movement and this one is no exception.

[dawnking2]

George, don't you know that science is evil witchcraft perpetuated by satan himself!

[tuckerndfw]

The ultimate truth is that God exists, and that His word specifically predicts people like you who will reject the Truth and believe in doctrines of devils and the lies of the world.

I feel sorry for you tucker, I really do.

Posted by singinrick at 05:42 PM : Feb 25, 2007

That is your ultimate opinion, it is not an ultimate truth to anyone but you.

In other words, you whole heartedly believe the bible (the Jesus myth), in part at least, because it claims people will reject it? You consider that one of those "inerrant prophecies"?

The bible was invented in the 4th Century and it had become fairly obvious by then that it had been rejected by the vast majority of Jews. As it is today. Stating the Jesus myth will be rejected was not a prediction, it was history.

Don't waste your sympathy on me. The person most needing your attention is the person you see in the mirror.

It is a fact that the God of the bible does not exist in fact. Your (or anyone else's) delusions and opinions will not alter that ultimate truth.

[dawnking2]

Boys, boys, boys, I've been gone for less than 24 hours and your still arguing with good old swinginrick. Doesn't look like you've made any progress in pulling his brain out of the dark ages and that is a pity. Unfortunately, I think he's too far gone to the dark side. It is easier to split the atom than have an intelligent conversation with a evangelical, fundamentalist religious zealot. Why heck, the Christians don't even get along with one another. That's why there are such a plethora of Christian churches sprouting up all over the country. With Easter soon upon us, the believers will be congregating at baseball stadiums to sing and hold hands and act like the bunch of mindless simpletons they are. Just like sheep, ignorant and dimwitted.

[rharrin1]

Bible thumping will not be allowed anymore.
These thumpers continue to not follow the ten commandments ---thou shall not bear false witness.

As far as bush goes

morals ---he has none
integrity-he has none
honesty he has none
brain ----he has none

[scott4261]

Just to keep all of you in the loop ('cause this article is kind of vague on this), the oral arguments for this case, Hein v. Freedom from Religion Foundation, start this Wednesday, February 28th. If you care about maintaining the wall of separation between church and State, this is the case worth watching. Our founding fathers NEVER MEANT for America to be a theocracy. Period.

[scott4261]

Persoanlly, I think if he smoked a joint he might mellow out a litle bit......

[randalds]

Wered o these holier than thou nutt jobs get their material anyway?? .. my guess is the end of a crack pipe.


Posted by macusweil at 06:02 PM : Feb 25, 2007

Naw! Not our ricky! he sticks with the legal drugs like booze! After all he wouldn't want to sin by consuming something illegal! Jesus hated illegal drugs and said so....um...well...somewhere I'm sure.....

The same place where he said he hates *** and that's....well...um....ok...so he never said that.

Well...well....you must be a non-believer who's going to hell!!!

LOL!

[randalds]

Are you "Curious George" the monkey?? Or is he your distant cousin? You wanna talk funny than keep claiming we all came from monkeys or pond scum! Now that's what's funny bud! Only a fool believes in that nonsense!

Just wondering if you're related to curious george. :)

Posted by singinrick at 05:46 PM : Feb 25, 2007

What a very unchristian attitude from you ricky! Been drinking again? Sure seems like it as you're not usually the type to attempt humor. Of course you're not funny, but still....bad joke and bad insult. Work on your act a bit ricky or don't drink and post. And by the way, some people LIKE Curious George and used him to teach our children to read. It's better to raise curious children then brainwashed drones like you.

[macusweil]

"It is you who are more worried about a popularity contest with atheists on these boards, not me. It is you who thinks Jesus is a pacifist, even though the scriptures clearly indicate He is not."

-- ooOh yeah that's I clearly remember the story when the guy Jesus so he turned the other cheek then beat the cr*p out of the guy..

..or the time he killed all those evil pigs sending then over the cliff.

Man, he'd be an major asset in today's Army since he can walk on water and stuff (think Amphibious assault.) He'd be great at cutting the need for long military supply lines to since he could feed the masses too.

Wered o these holier than thou nutt jobs get their material anyway?? .. my guess is the end of a crack pipe.

[randalds]

Looks like singinslick is back. Just waited until most people left so he could post his garbage in peace for awhile. Sorry slick, but I don't have time to play right now as I need sleep to go to work tonight (a real intelligent designer would have left the need for sleep out).

Good night ricky. Don't let the evil devil worshiping hateful nasty AIDS infected atheists bite.

[randalds]

Well, folks, it looks like the Flat Earth Society has left us for the time being. This thread has outlived any usefulness to me, so I'm gonna surf to other places.
Posted by scott4261 at 05:10 PM : Feb 25, 2007

Same here. Check out some of the threads in the World section. A few good things going on there. Other then that I'm crashing out for the day because I have to work tonight. I guess I wasn't "intelligently designed" well enough as I need to sleep sometimes. Well, that's evolution for you.

[homespunlady]

singinrick I respect your right to believe what you want as long as it's not harmful to others. I missed your opinion concerning this though. Isn't trading religious freedom of choice tantamount to prostitution? I'd trust the government about as far as I could see at the bottom of a closed up cavern. Isn't all this faith based initiative a way to force all religions to adhere to an official government set of standards? From what I read this morning that set may very well be the Moonie version. I find that simply creepy.