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by samthetvcat December 16, 2007 12:45 AM EST
PS What about Derek Jeter? He seems like he''s clean, you think? And Cal Rikpen (?)

I guess there''s different degrees too, the biggest abusers being those (LOL) puffy 40-yr old ''power'' hitters/pitchers - Bonds, McGuire, Clemens, then there might be some occasional dabblers (?) Yeah, better testing would be great, and maybe some statistics person ought to look at the player profiles and see if any of the players have odd stats . . .

And yeah if tickets weren''t already so out of my price range, I''d be really ticked (lol) . . .
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by samthetvcat December 16, 2007 12:36 AM EST
Anybody know whether Jose Canseco ever played on the same team with A-Rod or had any trainer connection of any kind?

I don''t know what to think of Canseco''s credibility - like is he just a disgraced player trying to redeem himself by cleaning up baseball, or is it that since he got taken down he wants to take everybody he can with him - the whole game of baseball, as well as the star player with the big buck$? Like maybe he needed to stay close to the truth to show that he was being ''honest'' but now that he''s been proven right he might feel he can just bring up names because it''s impossible to prove a negative (that one has never taken steroids) and he ''wins'' just by casting that doubt?

And is this the first time Canseco''s ever brought up A-Rod''s name? Did he implicate him to Sen. Mitchell''s panel? I can''t wait to see Katie''s interview . . .
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by shoebox119 December 16, 2007 12:35 AM EST
If I had paid for any single game ticket or season tickets to any MLB game during the past ten years, I would demand a refund! MLB suckered the fan faithful for big bucks by juicing the ball and looking the other way while the players juiced themselves. In other words, the well-meaning fan did NOT get what he paid for!!!
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by wabash45 December 16, 2007 12:29 AM EST
Just because he has been tested and not shown any positive results means absolutely nothing! Until Baseball has a program to test for any performance enhancing drug, we will never know the truth for any of these guys. This whole thing is Baseballs fault and they need to do something or it will never change...
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by shoebox119 December 15, 2007 11:58 PM EST
Meanwhile, I say give him the benefit of the doubt.

Posted by ronrunner62

The key word here, ronrunner, is "doubt." With steroids sweeping over baseball like it has for the past ten years, ALL players, ALL stats, and ALL records have been cast into the shadow of doubt.

The same argument can be made to defend baseball''s no tolerance rule on betting on baseball... as soon as the fans begin to doubt whether or not the game is on the up-and-up, it doesn''t matter who did or didn''t do what, the integrity of the game has been comprised.

And here have the steroid era of baseball. Millions of fans, whether they want to admit it or not, will always harbor at least a shred of doubt or more, that their favorite player just might have been juiced at one time. And there you have it... the integrity of baseball just vanished on the wings of the Mitchell Report.
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by ronrunner62 December 15, 2007 11:40 PM EST
Arod''s first full season in MLB was 1996 and Jose''s last was 2000 (he was out a lot during his last few seasons as well), so I''m not sure what Jose learned during that period of time (primarily the period before Arod established himself as a superstar)that would make him think Arod was "using." My guess is he figures that anyone with the numbers that Arod has put up from around 1998 to 2007 must be using performance-enhancing substances. I don''t particularly like Arod, but I''m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until something more substantial that Jose Canseco''s word comes along. I don''t see where he looks any more muscular now than he did with the Seattle Mariners several years ago, and as others have said, his numbers have been fairly consistent. The ones who are much more suspect are those who are playing into their 40''s and still performing as if they were in their early 30''s, and whose numbers are improving with age. If Arod is still whacking 45 HRs a year when he''s 42, I''ll be a little more suspect than I am now. Meanwhile, I say give him the benefit of the doubt.
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by ronrunner62 December 15, 2007 11:31 PM EST
Arod''s first full season in MLB was 1996 and Jose''s last was 2000 (he was out of action for long periods in a couple of his final seasons as well), so I''m not sure what Jose knows about Arod and
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by shoebox119 December 15, 2007 11:19 PM EST
Look at A-Roid''s face in the picture accompanying the above article. He''s freakin'' and there isn''t any doubt about it. And he KNOWS his whole career is being flushed down the sewer along with the sport once called baseball.

Another American invention bites the dust!
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by shoebox119 December 15, 2007 11:15 PM EST
As far as any true baseball fan is concerned, the game, as it once so beautifully was, ceased to exist after the strike of ''94. First they juiced the ball, then the players juiced themselves. The game''s a farce and belongs right down in the cellar with pro wrestling.

Viva la Aaron and Maris!! Your records are restored!!
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by frb01 December 15, 2007 10:29 PM EST
A-rod is a lot of things that you don''t like in the modern athlete, if you look at his numbers there is no surge on HR''s like there was with the others. He has a grating type of personality that rubs a lot of people the wrong way, maybe he got on the wrong side of Jose, which I think is pretty easy to do.
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