Comments on: Vicar: Dire Times For Iraq's Christians

Tells 60 Minutes Most Of Iraq's Christians Have Fled Or Been Killed

[prorights]

The 60 Minutes story shows the injustice one group can cause to another in the name of religion. Another aspect of this story has turned up and I have included the text from the Guardian (UK) -- A US Marine hands out coins to residents in Fallujah that ask in Arabic on one side: "Where will you spend eternity?" The other side is inscribed with a Biblical verse: "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:16." --I would like to view this as a bad choice. HOWEVER, didn''t President Bush refer to the Iraq War at the beginning as a "crusade". This word has such a deep negative connotation to any Muslim.

Americans know so little of the truth.

[prorights]

The 60 Minutes story shows the injustice one group can cause to another in the name of religion. Another aspect of this story has turned up and I have included the text from the Guardian (UK) -- A US Marine hands out coins to residents in Fallujah that ask in Arabic on one side: "Where will you spend eternity?" The other side is inscribed with a Biblical verse: "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:16." --I would like to view this as a bad choice. HOWEVER, didn''t President Bush refer to the Iraq War at the beginning as a "crusade". This word has such a deep negative connotation to any Muslim.

Americans know so little of the truth.

[gata320]

These Christians are being killed for going to mass to honor God? The same God everyone on this entire earth loves and honors? No matter what religion humans belong to (christian, buddist, Judaism, Islam, etc.) we all love the same God. We all are the same. We all have a beating heart, a soul, fears, pride, people we love. I can''t believe in the year 2008 we are still hurting each other over which religion we follow. It''s insane. I''m sure our behavior saddens God. If we follow our family trees eventually we are all related. Things need to change. Instead of all this killing we can come together to help eachother. Feed all the starving people in the world. Clean up our planet. STOP the Greed. Love each other. Love our one GOD. Live in peace.

[prorights]

The 60 Minutes story shows the injustice one group can cause to another in the name of religion. Another aspect of this story has turned up and I have included the text from the Guardian (UK) -- A US Marine hands out coins to residents in Fallujah that ask in Arabic on one side: "Where will you spend eternity?" The other side is inscribed with a Biblical verse: "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:16." --I would like to view this as a bad choice. HOWEVER, didn''t President Bush refer to the Iraq War at the beginning as a "crusade". This word has such a deep negative connotation to any Muslim.

Americans know so little of the truth.

[prorights]

The 60 Minutes story shows the injustice one group can cause to another in the name of religion. Another aspect of this story has turned up and I have included the text from the Guardian (UK) -- A US Marine hands out coins to residents in Fallujah that ask in Arabic on one side: "Where will you spend eternity?" The other side is inscribed with a Biblical verse: "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:16." --I would like to view this as a bad choice. HOWEVER, didn''t President Bush refer to the Iraq War at the beginning as a "crusade". This word has such a deep negative connotation to any Muslim.

Americans know so little of the truth.

[prorights]

The 60 Minutes story shows the injustice one group can cause to another in the name of religion. Another aspect of this story has turned up and I have included the text from the Guardian (UK) -- A US Marine hands out coins to residents in Fallujah that ask in Arabic on one side: "Where will you spend eternity?" The other side is inscribed with a Biblical verse: "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:16." --I would like to view this as a bad choice. HOWEVER, didn''t President Bush refer to the Iraq War at the beginning as a "crusade". This word has such a deep negative connotation to any Muslim.

Americans know so little of the truth.

[tookyoo]

To the person who equates Iraq with the coming of the Anti Christ. He arrived, GWB, and started in Irag, the way the world started.

[migthor08]

Looking at Daniel and Revelation, the Iraqi Christians are the prime example of what will
happen when the AntiChrist comes. No Rapture to help them like these spoiled, arrogant right wing Christians think. In the Iraq situation, left wing American Christians want to be "tolerant" and don''t want to anger Moslems. Right wing Christians don''t want to notice the Raptureless persecution of Christians. In their twisted way of thinking, the Iraqi Christians must be doing something wrong to bring such evil to themselves. American Christians have a lot to learn.

[nestorius1]

Recently the American Family Association has put out a good article on the persecution of Iraq''s Christians. Also The Barnabas Fund is working to assist suffering Assyrians.
see www.aramaicherald.blogspot.com

[nestorius1]

I am glad news about the situation of Iraq''s Assyrian Christians is finially getting out. I am the author of "Treasures of the Language of Jesus: The Aramaic Source of Christ''s Teachings" which is available from amazon.com. In my books I try to create awareness of the importance of Aramaic in the teachings of Jesus and the contibutions of the Assyrian CHristians.
www.aramaicherald.blogspot.com

[ecoflame]

In case you''ve forgotten - americans were spoonfed that somehow, somehow - Iraqis were responsible for 9/11 (just another in terroristaville) and are "the enemy." Did you miss THAT handout?

[skeptic101]

The parallels between Waite and White seem uncanny, as if the Church has learned nothing. "The hat that has attracted most attention in the UK is his role as Anglican vicar of Baghdad (strictly limited at present to the international zone - his church, St George''s, just a mile away from the high-security area, is out of bounds). But it is his other job that accounts for the contact with the Pentagon and State Department - as head of the Foundation for Reconciliation in the Middle East, a free-ranging role that allows him to act as the link between US power-brokers and the region''s indigenous movers and shakers." [2]

FRRME also award a peace prize. So far they have only awarded it once - to Garda World, their bodyguards. So the only people a British Christian organisation can find in Iraq to honour with a peaceprize are their British bodyguards?....

[1] From Knight to Pawn http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE1D81539F935A25751C0A964958260

[2] ''I don''t just work with nice people'' http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1822288,00.html

[3] FRRME Iraq http://frrme.convio.net/site/PageServer?pagename=iraq

[4] GardaWorld Awarded First "Peace Prize" from the Foundation for Relief and Reconciliation in the Middle East for its Work in Iraq http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=252400

[5] 2005 - Report of APJN Deliberations in Jerusalem http://www.aco.org/apjn/ http://www.aco.org/apjn/APJN_Jersualem.pdf

[skeptic101]

The Vicar of Baghdad, peacemaker or powerbroker ?
Danny | 29.05.2007 20:25 | Analysis | Iraq | Palestine

The five Britons kidnapped in Baghdad work for Garda World, a Canadian security firm. Channel 4 news tonight led with a feature on them, where Jon Snow was pretty sceptical about their chances of survival due to their profession. There are 20,000 foriegn ''private security guards'' in Iraq who are widely hated for acting like private mercenaries unconstrained by laws or morals. Jon seemed surprised to hear a few hundred of them have already been killed.



Canon Andrew White was then interviewed by telephone from Baghdad. He said all his missions work had stopped and they were now focussed on releasing the hostages. He also mentioned that these kidnapped men also provided the security for the mission where he and they live. It seemed a bit odd to house mercenaries in a church, so I searched a bit on Cannon White. He works for the Foundation for Relief and Reconciliation in the Middle East (FRRME). He used to work for the Archbishop of Canterbury - much like Terry Waite did when he was kidnapped for being used by the CIA to spy in Lebanon.

[paulbatou]

learn more about the christian of iraq.


www.paulbatou.com.
www.mylastthoughtsaboutiraq.com

[paulbatou]

christian of Iraq, they still praying to God to save them , they are people who depened on God to quide them and protect them, this is wrong, that is why we lost mesopotamia to arabs and muslims, we share spme resposnsibilty . the fact that those people pay the high price in blood any time we interfer in any muslims afairs or invade thier region , example the cartoon picture of muhamed in Eroupe , the cause was 15 of iraqi christians killed, more than one church bombed , and more that i rape incident . ,

[ninsunfetch]

It is amazing that Christians of the west have so little compassion for the suffering of the Christians of Iraq. For reasons that are hard to understand instead of being outraged at what has happened they find reasons to explain it away. Imagine if 30 Mosques were bombed in the US and tens of thousands of Muslims were killed, tortured, kidnapped, were told to renounce their religion, pay none Christian taxes, convert to Christianity, abandon their home and whatever they had or they wiould be killed, What kind of uproar would have caused in the US let alone the rest of the world but if the Christians of Iraq are being subjected to such atrocities no one seems to care, not even the Christians of the West.

For more detail about the plight of the Christians of Iraq visit:

http://www.christiansofiraq.com

[ididonotknow]

" Are Christians just supposed to turn their heads when state sponsored terrorism takes place under their noses?"

Well history shows you have no issue when the state sponsored terrorism and or genocide is under your control or aimed at non Christians. In fact Chrisitans wholly supported such actions as being directed by god.

Hitler was a considered a good Christian (he was even an ally of the Catholic Church and received birthday greetings from the Pope) until after World War 2 when fundies in the US began to rewrite history since it didn''t favor them. After all it was fundies in the US who were the most staunch Hitler supporters. Do you honestly think that under the Nazis that the ghettos, yellow stars on clothing were first time things to happen to the Jews? Wonder why the Jews didn''t resist? Because such things had happened in Europe hundreds of times if not thousands through the centuries often under Papal Bulls. Why do you think it was called the Final Solution? The term final would indicate prior attempts at a solution. By the way you should look at what happened in Croatia, Serbia during World War 2. Christian monks ran a few concentration camps there even the Nazis were appaled at what these monks were doing. At least the Nazis made sure the Jews and others were dead before putting them in the ovens to burn.

[ninsunfetch]

It is amazing that Christians of the west have so little compassion for the suffering of the Christians of Iraq. For reasons that are hard to understand instead of being outraged at what has happened they find reasons to explain it away. Imagine if 30 Mosques were bombed in the US and tens of thousands of Muslims were killed, tortured, kidnapped, were told to renounce their religion, pay none Christian taxes, convert to Christianity, abandon their home and whatever they had or they wiould be killed, What kind of uproar would have caused in the US let alone the rest of the world but if the Christians of Iraq are being subjected to such atrocities no one seems to care, not even the Christians of the West.

For more detail about the plight of the Christians of Iraq visit:

http://www.christiansofiraq.com

[ninsunfetch]

It is amazing that Christians of the west have so little compassion for the suffering of the Christians of Iraq. For reasons that are hard to understand instead of being outraged at what has happened they find reasons to explain it away. Imagine if 30 Mosques were bombed in the US and tens of thousands of Muslims were killed, tortured, kidnapped, were told to renounce their religion, pay none Christian taxes, convert to Christianity, abandon their home and whatever they had or they wiould be killed, What kind of uproar would have caused in the US let alone the rest of the world but if the Christians of Iraq are being subjected to such atrocities no one seems to care, not even the Christians of the West.

For more detail about the plight of the Christians of Iraq visit:

http://www.christiansofiraq.com

[ididonotknow]

" How about those hundreds of thousands of Iraqis butchered and murdered by the the now deceased former leader of Iraq"

Took decades and most Iraqis even they had relatives killed would say that life was still better under Saddam. Since the invasion non biased casulty figures state that over 1 million people have died in Iraq as a result of violence. The brutality is far worse then anything seen under Saddam. People under Saddam just had their relatives disapear in the night. Now they are taken in broad daylight and often found dismembered and were often severly tortured before they died. They would have closed caskets in the united states however there often isn''t a complete body to bury. Also people didn''t often have their children, or their wives be kidnapped, raped, tortured, dismembered under Saddam. Saddam was no worse then a dozen other leaders in the Middle East. He was our strongman for quite a while we gave him the gas weapons he used on both the Iranians and his own countrymen when they tried to rebel. We didn''t have any problem with him back then doing that nor did the UN since they took the lead of the US.

If he had never invaded Kuwait he would still be in power today and be a strong ally of the US. In fact Iraqis consider the United States to be worse then Saddam ever did. Abu Gharib had worse things occur to prisoners under the control of the US military then under Saddam.