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Afghan President Tells 60 Minutes That Too Many Civilians Are Being Killed

[ziparmux]

Putins visit to Iran, he can see the president sitting in the Whitehouse, cheque book in hand, whilst he flies back to Moscow with a rather large grin on his face, and he shake Bushes hand and thinks what a dumb a$$.

Posted by ziparmux at 05:16 AM : Oct 30, 2007,,,

I don''''t agree with your assessment! I think the United States, Russia and China would prefer World order and stability instead of political *** for tat. Russian Pres. Putin has said many times he would like the U.S. to leave Iraq but only after Iraq is stabilized and not before! Russian Pres. Putin is against one power dominating the World and there is something to be said for that, but his solution to prevent it or counterbalance it may be worst than his perceived problems with it. The U.S. feels the same way towards Iran that Russia feels towards Chechnya, maybe Pres. Bush should visit Chechnya and have the U.S. build a nuke plant in Chechnya and let the Chechen''''s enrich uranium too, then maybe Russia will get the message!

Posted by tbweb at 01:57 AM : Oct 31, 2007

I didn''t state it as a personal opinion, meant it as ''food for thought'', I should have made that clear in my original posting, and your comment I do feel is fair point.

[tbweb]

It''s payback time and you cannot see it. Pull the hell out of Iraq, get your troops home, do you think Russia would allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon, no they are happy to see you embroiled in the MIddle East. and watch you spend your TRILLIONS around the world whislt all the while Russia and China are growing financially faster than any other countries on the planet.

Putins visit to Iran, he can see the president sitting in the Whitehouse, cheque book in hand, whilst he flies back to Moscow with a rather large grin on his face, and he shake Bushes hand and thinks what a dumb a$$.

Posted by ziparmux at 05:16 AM : Oct 30, 2007,,,

I don''t agree with your assessment! I think the United States, Russia and China would prefer World order and stability instead of political *** for tat. Russian Pres. Putin has said many times he would like the U.S. to leave Iraq but only after Iraq is stabilized and not before! Russian Pres. Putin is against one power dominating the World and there is something to be said for that, but his solution to prevent it or counterbalance it may be worst than his perceived problems with it. The U.S. feels the same way towards Iran that Russia feels towards Chechnya, maybe Pres. Bush should visit Chechnya and have the U.S. build a nuke plant in Chechnya and let the Chechen''s enrich uranium too, then maybe Russia will get the message!

[tbweb]

Posted by thefarrier at 01:45 PM : Oct 30, 2007,,,

I gave you the benefit of the doubt and checked out Ron Paul, I even watched Mr. Paul on Jay Leno tonight! Ron Paul has some interesting ideas but I think his economics are too radical and too risky for our current situation and I also think age 72 is too old to become President.

[usaprophet]

You get the sense that the country is desperate for someone to show us the way. Not the old way. Not the same way, but a NEW WAY. Think about this for a minute. What if we pulled all of our troops out of South Korea? They''ve been there for 50 years. Tens of thousands of them. What if we quit worrying about Iran, but instead, realized that its having a nuclear weapon will not mean the end of the world? What if we pulled all of our troops out of Iraq, and brought them all home? What if we realistically addressed the National Debt, and paid attention to REALLY DOING SOMETHING about stopping illegal immigration? These are the ideas Republican Presidential candidate, Dr. Ron Paul. He''s a ten term Congressman and a physician who has delivered over 4,000 babies. Ron Paul has been married to the same woman for more than 50 years, which means he doesn''t come to the race with the sort of baggage some of the other candidates for the White House do. Paul is given to mulling things over morally. He once was once a pious Lutheran, but now attends a Baptist church. He never travels alone with women, and once even dressed-down an aide for using the expression "red-light district" in front of a female colleague. I support the 2008 candidacy of Congressman, Ron Paul for President of The United States. Candidates with the high level of personal integrity and track record of adherance to The Constitution Ron Paul always demonstrates only come around once in a lifetime, if we''re lucky. Go Ron!

[ziparmux]

Why does the West always need to handle World problems and be the Worlds 911 Police and Fire Department all alone? Why can''''t Russia and China perform these World humanitarian services as well? China now has the wealth and manpower to deploy resources to Afghanistan and its time China earns its up and coming Superpower stripes! Russia and China both sit back and build up and conserve their assets and resources for War, but don''''t lift a finger to perform World humanitarian functions! A Superpower does it all and its time China who has the manpower and resources get in the humanitarian game and serve!

Posted by tbweb at 02:08 AM : Oct 30, 2007

Has it ever accurred to you perhaps that''s exactly what Russia wants, you broke the back of the USSR, by spending money, Russia learned a lesson, they learned about this methodology to bring a country to it''s knees, the best, and that waS YOU the US.

It''s payback time and you cannot see it. Pull the hell out of Iraq, get your troops home, do you think Russia would allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon, no they are happy to see you embroiled in the MIddle East. and watch you spend your TRILLIONS around the world whislt all the while Russia and China are growing financially faster than any other countries on the planet.

Putins visit to Iran, he can see the president sitting in the Whitehouse, cheque book in hand, whilst he flies back to Moscow with a rather large grin on his face, and he shake Bushes hand and thinks what a dumb a$$.

[tbweb]

Why don''''t you do one spot-present to the world a vision of what might be possible if the the free world sent 100K troops to Afghanistan, to secure the peace? ...

Posted by forparity at 01:34 AM : Oct 30, 2007,,,

Why does the West always need to handle World problems and be the Worlds 911 Police and Fire Department all alone? Why can''t Russia and China perform these World humanitarian services as well? China now has the wealth and manpower to deploy resources to Afghanistan and its time China earns its up and coming Superpower stripes! Russia and China both sit back and build up and conserve their assets and resources for War, but don''t lift a finger to perform World humanitarian functions! A Superpower does it all and its time China who has the manpower and resources get in the humanitarian game and serve!

[forparity]

Applies today & decades for media, world leaders, UN, pacifist orgs (disguised as peace and humanitarian groups),and sadly many of us as well.
You don''t like the fact that the world never came to aid Afghan, other than occas. scant covert efforts (Carter, Reagan, etc) and defend this once proud country of Afghan from the "imperialist" Soviets; the void that filled bombed out remains following their retreat; the Taliban conquest of the remains of the souls; AlQaeda as it designed and acted on it''s plans to launch it''s hellish jihad on democracy, free speech and liberty,and because of that, the US is forced to do what it can to pull this off(bombs)almost entirely by itself?
The reason US is behind the gun in Afghan, is because our media, which prides itself on what it believes to be a humanitarian view for the world, is too busy cranking up the heat of dissent against,instead of using your ink and your voice to shame the world into helping the folks who are giving their lives to bring all these things you say you believe in to these poor and unfortunate people.
Why don''t you do one spot-present to the world a vision of what might be possible if the the free world sent 100K troops to Afghanistan, to secure the peace? For Afghan,it''s 30 yrs+ late, but it''s not too late.For the Dem Rep of the Congo, it''s 10 yrs late-it''s too late.4= million have already died. Why?Clinton said never again-the media let it lie silent in the shadows of darkness.

Imagine the power of journalism.

[tbweb]

Totally disagree with you, do you know how much energy is required to utilze sea water for drinking and agriculture to grow food ? No you don''''t and the US does not have enogh energy at this time do do so, and even if you had a 180 degree turn in your policies it would take you decades to sort out the mess, and given how much money the US owes to the rest of the world you cannot afford it. China for example if it called in it''''s loans and bonds etc, America would be 100% bankrupt.

Posted by ziparmux at 08:21 AM : Oct 29, 2007,,,

See reply to head case -- curse914 at 08:22 AM : Oct 29, 2007

[tbweb]

Once again, nut-job, it will take energy to desalinize the ocean, where do you propose we get that energy?

Posted by curse914 at 08:22 AM : Oct 29, 2007,,,

A little brain power and creativity thats where! Every Ship in the U.S. Navy can do this! The U.S. Navy has hundreds of Ships mothballed sitting in dry dock doing nothing, they may not be ready for war but their water equipment can be utilized if need be to desalinize ocean water! Who is the non-thinking, non-creative nut-job now? :)

[munpuppy]

al Quaida are aware of the power of the media influencing public opinion. To think that the young boy and the man talking about innocents killed by our air strikes are not influenced by their fear of al Quaida is rediculous. The media has consistently painted a worse picture of our military than the al Quaida. The media deemands verification from our military but refuses to adequately verify negative reports against our troops. The media seems to ignore how their reporting encourages those killing our troops and is discouraging to our troops.The media pushed Dan Rather''s fabricated slander agsinst our troops in Nam without verification. The media dwelled on it and on Kerry''s lies about our troops in nam without verification with disasterous results in nam and how our wounded troops returned to a bitter welcome. The media''s constant negativity has been an encouragement to our enemies. Evidently, the media is more concerned about who is in the White House than what is best for our troops. The media didn''t seem to mind that Democrats killed 148,000 of our troops in Korea and Vietnam until the Democrats got out of the White House. I am disgusted with media politicking with opinions and suppositions instead of just reporting substantiated facts. I am an Independent. I''m almost as disgusted with the Republicans as I am with the Democrats. If the Democrats and media had just supported our recovery from 9-11 and our military, the disgust would be equalized.

[usaprophet]

I support Ron Paul and his non-interventionist foreign policy. Hitlery wants to continue our illegal police action in Iraq until at least 2013, and she does not rule out a preemptive (nuclear) first strike against Iran. Ron Paul voted against the the (undeclared) war in Iraq, which was sold to us with lies. The area is more dangerous now than when we entered it. We destroyed a regime hated by our direct enemies--the jihadists, and created thousands of new recruits for them. This war has cost more than 3,000 American lives and almost a trillion dollars. We must have new leadership in the White House to ensure this never happens again. Both Jefferson and Washington warned us about entangling ourselves in the affairs of other nations. Today, we have 750 foreign bases and troops in 130 countries. We are spread so thin that we have too few troops defending America. And now, there are new calls for a draft of our young men and women. We can continue to fund and fight no-win police actions around the globe, or we can refocus on securing our borders against illegal immigrants and bring the troops home. No war should ever be fought without a declaration of war voted upon by the Congress, as required by the Constitution. Under no circumstances should the U.S. again go to war as the result of a resolution that comes from an unelected, foreign body, such as the United Nations. Too often, we give foreign aid and intervene on behalf of governments that are despised. Then, we become despised.

[ziparmux]

Moreover, no international law can prevent the United States from taking actions to protect its vital interests, when it is manifestly clear that there is a choice to be made between law and survival. I believe, however, that such a choice is not presented in the case of Iraq. Indeed, should we decide to proceed, that action can be justified within the framework of international law rather than outside it. In fact, though a new UN resolution may be helpful in building international consensus, the existing resolutions from 1991 are sufficient from a legal standpoint. - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/go

re/gore092302sp.html

Posted by rerrorislam3 at 03:45 PM : Oct 29, 2007

I wont try to respond to all your comment as there is too much in one go lol.

You know I read the Al Gore above 4 times, and he''s such a ''wordsmith'', whether he''s benign or too clever for his own good I am not sure, but that statement can easily be misinterpretated, and that troubles me. Here we call it spin, he is obviously an expert at it, I think he could further the interests of the American people by being clearer within his comments.

[rerrorislam3]

Posted by ziparmux at 03:30 PM : Oct 29, 2007
Posted by ziparmux at 03:38 PM : Oct 29, 2007

the Iraqi war is legal, demonic-rat hero oscar, emmy, nobel prize winning al bore says so,,,
it actually never ended since it only stopped by the signing of a ceasefire,,, just like the korean war,,,

the resumption of hostilities was only a matter of time since iraq broke the ceasefire agreement,,,

blame saddam for iraq,,, Even clintoon and the dems wanted the resumption of hostilities back in 1998,,,

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq''''s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

Moreover, no international law can prevent the United States from taking actions to protect its vital interests, when it is manifestly clear that there is a choice to be made between law and survival. I believe, however, that such a choice is not presented in the case of Iraq. Indeed, should we decide to proceed, that action can be justified within the framework of international law rather than outside it. In fact, though a new UN resolution may be helpful in building international consensus, the existing resolutions from 1991 are sufficient from a legal standpoint. - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/go
re/gore092302sp.html

[ziparmux]

how''''s your german and japanese nancy???

Posted by rerrorislam3 at 03:09 PM : Oct 29, 2007

Like we in the FREE world at that time would allow that to happen, well history answers that does it not?

You think that in our times nation conquering threatens the US or even the UK etc, no it does not. Capitulating us into illegal wars in the name of peace, freedom and liberty is BS. And history will never have a noble quotation from BUSH & co to quote.

[usaprophet]

Most Americans just don''t seem to care that our country, along with the Constitution upon which it was founded, is being flushed-down the NWO toilet by our nations ruling elite. Most of Congress and the President warn and insite fear in the sheeple about the prospect of terrorism, while they at the same time fund and conduct illegal wars overseas that do nothing but encite the terrorism which they say their new Draconian Laws like the Patriot Act and The Real ID Act pretend to protect us from. Think about it. What would you do, if someone invaded the U.S. for no reason, and took over. You''d be mad as hell, and you''d be making trips to their country in order to give a little payback. Wake up America! It''s not about protecting you from terrorism, or saving our planet from Global Warming, or any of that fear-mongering garbage the tube feeds you 24/7. It''s about feeding the military industrial complex and facilitating the ruling elite''s ability to ratchet-down control over the American people, placing them into a total control grid where they can surveille, track and control everywhere you go and everything you do. It''s the groundwork for totalitarianism. I weep for my country, and for those who are so distracted, dumbed-down, or outright brainwashed by mainstream media, which endlessly regurgitates scientifically-crafted streams of information aimed at keeping their eyes closed to the realities of the world around them, that they fail to recognize this. Go Ron Paul!.

[libsluvsuvs]

War is a game played by fools who want to die. The only winning move is not to play the game.
Posted by MyIDonCBS at 09:29 AM : Oct 29, 2007
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I dont think these radical islamic terrorists IS GIVING YOU ANY CHOICE..actually they prefer that you DONT PLAY..it makes it a lot easier for them to kill WITHOUT ANY RESISTANCE.

WAR AND HUMANITY WALKS DOWN THE PATH OF HISTORY HAND IN HAND..TO THINK OTHERWISE IS A FOOL.

[ziparmux]

"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty." - John F. Kennedy, Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1961

One ought never to turn one''''s back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. Winston Churchill

"The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing." Albert Einstein


Posted by rerrorislam3 at 03:09 PM : Oct 29, 2007

Modern corrupt politicians cite these most noble quotaions to fight illegal wars. Why are you quoting them ?

[rerrorislam3]

Posted by thefarrier at 02:20 PM : Oct 29, 2007

what if we stayed isolationist in ww1 and ww2???

how''s your german and japanese nancy???

Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery?

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace--but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! March 23, 1775 Patrick Henry

USA''s PLEDGE 2 THE WORLD GIVEN BY JFK!!

"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty." - John F. Kennedy, Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1961

One ought never to turn one''s back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. Winston Churchill

"The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing." Albert Einstein

[usaprophet]

You get the sense that the country is desperate for someone to show us the way. Not the old way. Not the same way, but a NEW WAY. Think about this for a minute. What if we pulled all of our troops out of South Korea. They''ve been there for 50 years. Tens of thousands of them. What if we quit worring about Iran, and instead, realize that its having a nuclear weapon will not mean the end of the world. What if we pulled all of our troops out of Iraq, and brought them all home. What if we realistically addressed the National Debt, and paid attention to the huge burden we are placing on generations to come. Guess whose Ideas these are. They are the ideas Republican presidential candidate, Dr. Ron Paul. He''s a ten term Congressman and a physician who has delivered over 4,000 babies. Ron Paul has been married to the same woman for more than 50 years, which means he doesn''t come to the race with the sort of baggage some of the other candidates for the White House do. Paul is given to mulling things over morally. His family was pious and Lutheran; two of his brothers became ministers. Paul%u2019s five children were baptized in the Episcopal church, but he now attends a Baptist one. He doesn%u2019t travel alone with women, and once dressed down an aide for using the expression "red-light district" in front of a female colleague. I support the 2008 candidacy of Dr. Ron Paul for President of The United States. I believe he''s our only hope to restore peace, prosperity and freedom in this country.

[rerrorislam3]

Posted by FeelFree1 at 01:42 PM : Oct 29, 2007

tell it to the fascist nazi terrorislamists

LOOK WHO IS TARGETING CIVILIANS!!!

Qaeda warns of attacks ''worse than 9/11''
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070530102648.wuwa6k96&show_article=1

Hizbullah Deputy Sec-Gen Sheikh Naim Qassem: We Have Jurisprudent Permission to Carry Out ''Martyrdom'' Operations, Fire Missiles on Israeli Civilians From Ayatollah Khomeini
http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD154907

Switching Sides: Inside The Enemy Camp

But then in 2000, well before his arrest, something happened which would make Abas question everything he believed in: a fatwa, a religious edict, was issued by Osama bin Laden.

"It should be understood that killing Americans and Jews anywhere found are the highest act of worship and the highest form of good deeds in the eyes of Allah," Simon quotes bin Laden.

Abas and his fellow commanders were ordered to read the fatwa to their men and make sure they carried it out. The others obeyed, but Abas refused. It was his moment of truth. He firmly believed that jihad was to be fought only on the battlefield in defense of Islam; he had always been taught that the killing of civilians had nothing to do with holy war and that it was forbidden.

The fatwa justified killing non-Muslim civilians everywhere.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/04/60minutes/main2761108.shtml?source=RSSattr=60Minutes_2761108